Cam Cameron FIRED

[OriginalColtsFan]

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider a bust. Rivers had a 91 qb rating his first full season under Cam. That is far from a bust imo especially for his first full season. His rating for the following year under a different OC actually dropped after Cam left. Do you guys just throw out crap and hope everyone believes you?

What are you going to DO now that you don't have Cam to shill for? Go back into the shadows of the past 9 years? (That'd be nice.)

[SugarRay52]

Holy Cow!!! Where ya been?!!! Glad to see you stopped by on this momentous occasion!!

Sorry for being late to the party had some work to do but this is long overdue. They have other issues to fix besides firing Cameron but it's a really nice start.

[tigercruise]

That was one fault. I'd say his BIGGEST fault is that he was a horrible communicator who refused to take anyone else's input into consideration; he did NOT communicate well with his own QB; and that, along with his arrogance, was ultimately his downfall, IMO.

Agree but you have to ask yourself, why would Harbaugh allow a situation like that to continue? An OC who can't or won't communicate with his QB? The arrogance might come naturally considering Harbaugh seems to be real good at that.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Agree but you have to ask yourself, why would Harbaugh allow a situation like that to continue? An OC who can't or won't communicate with his QB? The arrogance might come naturally considering Harbaugh seems to be real good at that.

I think Harbaugh's own arrogant blinders got in the way. Maybe they were both so similar that Harbaugh couldn't see the forest for the trees.

[Aclobat]

I wonder if Joe is upset by this move.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Sorry for being late to the party had some work to do but this is long overdue. They have other issues to fix besides firing Cameron but it's a really nice start.

Uhm...my friend...not that I'm not welcoming your post...but if you go back and check...I didn't direct that particular post to you...I directed it to rharris1986.



He's been an outspoken critic of Cameron both here AND at 24x7. So I was just letting him know that I was giving him props for his staunch support for having Cameron canned for quite some time now. And he's taken a TON of chit from the 24x7 homers over it. Now, that it's happened BEFORE the end of the season, he can abandon his "I'd like to see the Ravens LOSE OUT so that Cameron can finally get the ax". That tack, in particular, has caused him a ton of grief.

[rharris1986]

My days in purgatory are over. The Ravens have FINALLY seen the light and Cam has gone.

You will see a different Ravens offense next Sunday - one that will go toe to toe with Peyton - and the Ravens will win the game.

I'm crossing my fingers for the rest of this year - but I think the Ravens best years are about to start.

Uhm...my friend...not that I'm not welcoming your post...but if you go back and check...I didn't direct that particular post to you...I directed it to rharris1986.



He's been an outspoken critic of Cameron both here AND at 24x7. So I was just letting him know that I was giving him props for his staunch support for having Cameron canned for quite some time now. And he's taken a TON of chit from the 24x7 homers over it. Now, that it's happened BEFORE the end of the season, he can abandon his "I'd like to see the Ravens LOSE OUT so that Cameron can finally get the ax". That tack, in particular, has caused him a ton of grief.

[tigercruise]

I wonder if Joe is upset by this move.

I have it from a good source that this is how it went down:

“Hello.”
“Hi Joe, this is Steve.”
“Steve who?”
“You know, the owner, your boss.”
“Oh, hi Mr. Bisciotti. What’s up?’
“Joe, I sense that things aren’t quite right between you and coach Cameron. Is there a problem?”
“Well, uh, (he stammers) not sure what you mean Mr. Bisciotti.”
“Steve will do just fine Joe. I think you do. I just wanted to call you so you heard it here first. I just fired Cameron."
“What about my contract, Steve?”

Click, phone goes dead.

[OriginalColtsFan]

My days in purgatory are over. The Ravens have FINALLY seen the light and Cam has gone.

You will see a different Ravens offense next Sunday - one that will go toe to toe with Peyton - and the Ravens will win the game.

I'm crossing my fingers for the rest of this year - but I think the Ravens best years are about to start.

I definitely see a light at the end of the tunnel that I had not seen around here in years.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I have it from a good source that this is how it went down:

“Hello.”
“Hi Joe, this is Steve.”
“Steve who?”
“You know, the owner, your boss.”
“Oh, hi Mr. Bisciotti. What’s up?’
“Joe, I sense that things aren’t quite right between you and coach Cameron. Is there a problem?”
“Well, uh, (he stammers) not sure what you mean Mr. Bisciotti.”
“Steve will do just fine Joe. I think you do. I just wanted to call you so you heard it here first. I just fired Cameron."
“What about my contract, Steve?”

Click, phone goes dead.

LOL. That's meritorious of being on the front page of 24x7!

[Rael]

My major gripe with this season has been more with Pees. Injuries notwithstanding, how does a consistently top rated defense fall to almost last in the league. The Defense hasn't really shown that they have been able to stop Anyone this year. Sure there have been injuries to "Key" players but after all, it's a Team right? I just don't buy that losing 2 or 3 "Stars" turns your whole team into Crap!

Well, this is how a defense goes from 3 to 24:

Lose 4 out of your best 5 linebackers to injury or free agency.

Lose one of your better pass rushers to free agency. Lose another promising new guy to injury. Have the star DL miss time and play hurt the rest of the time.

Lose both backup safeties to free agency. Have your star free safety play perpetually injured.

Lose your best (far and away) CB to injury.

Have all your star players that are past their prime be one year older without too much talented new blood (with apologies to Upshaw and Jones) to offset that.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not happy with how the defense has performed but the above list is a lot for any coordinator to overcome. I don't think you can lay it all on Pees. Some of it was just horrible luck. Ozzie gets some blame here too.

[Blitz44]

Well, this is how a defense goes from 3 to 24:

Lose 4 out of your best 5 linebackers to injury or free agency.

Lose one of your better pass rushers to free agency. Lose another promising new guy to injury. Have the star DL miss time and play hurt the rest of the time.

Lose both backup safeties to free agency. Have your star free safety play perpetually injured.

Lose your best (far and away) CB to injury.

Have all your star players that are past their prime be one year older without too much talented new blood (with apologies to Upshaw and Jones) to offset that.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not happy with how the defense has performed but the above list is a lot for any coordinator to overcome. I don't think you can lay it all on Pees. Some of it was just horrible luck. Ozzie gets some blame here too.

It can't be easy preparing for a spread option offense that you haven't coached against all year. But man it's the same stuff being said in these threads and posts........until the players change the way they play it's all moot.

[TDL]

Well, this is how a defense goes from 3 to 24:

Lose 4 out of your best 5 linebackers to injury or free agency.

Lose one of your better pass rushers to free agency. Lose another promising new guy to injury. Have the star DL miss time and play hurt the rest of the time.

Lose both backup safeties to free agency. Have your star free safety play perpetually injured.

Lose your best (far and away) CB to injury.

Have all your star players that are past their prime be one year older without too much talented new blood (with apologies to Upshaw and Jones) to offset that.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not happy with how the defense has performed but the above list is a lot for any coordinator to overcome. I don't think you can lay it all on Pees. Some of it was just horrible luck. Ozzie gets some blame here too.

Was never onboard with the Pees hiring to begin with since I felt there were other DC's available that would have been better for the position.With that being said I am in complete agreement with this post.

The Defense has been consistently losing talent for the past few seasons and it hasn't been an issue until now since the drafts have usually produced quality players.These past few seasons Ozzie has screwed the pooch in terms of adding quality talent to the Defense.On that side of the ball it's been a combination of aging stars,losses through FA and bad drafting that has lead to where they are now.Throw in the injury factor on top of that they are screwed.

The only way out is by cutting some high priced dead weight from their cap next offseason and concentrating those cap dollars into adding quality young talent through FA and the draft.

Not sad to see Cam go in the least it's been a long time coming, but until Harbaugh pulls his head out his rectum nothing is going to change.

[jessup270]

As fans we really don't know the full story on how and who decided to fire Cam.

Was it the owner, did OZ go to the owner, did Harbaugh start the process?

To me it is a public embarrassment for Harbaugh to have his offensive coordinator fired this late in the season.

As head coach, Harbaugh should have had Cam under control.

Was Harbaugh really satisfied with Cam's performance?

[RavingManiac]

What are you going to DO now that you don't have Cam to shill for? Go back into the shadows of the past 9 years? (That'd be nice.)

Awwwww. I think it is sweet to come to your friend's defense like that. I'll teach you a little something. If you want to come to someone's defense in the future, you might want to defend him with something that is close to what I called him out for. Otherwise you make yourself look like a donkey. Here I'll give you an example:
I called out your little friend for putting up erroneous facts like I normally do with you. You might want to come back with "I looked it up and my little friend is right. You need to check YOUR facts you idiot!" Instead, you come up with your old "join date" comment. Is that the best you can come up with? My join date, lol. Did you really think you got me by posting about my join date? You still haven't told us the differences in the play calling between home and away games. You seen the differences. Just tell us. The "stop stalking me" and "we don't have to worry about it now" replies are so old. I'm calling you out every single time you post stupid asinine crap like that every single time. You better think twice before you post stupid crap like "I see the differences between the play calling between home and away games..."

[OriginalColtsFan]

Awwwww. I think it is sweet to come to your friend's defense like that. I'll teach you a little something. If you want to come to someone's defense in the future, you might want to defend him with something that is close to what I called him out for. Otherwise you make yourself look like a donkey. Here I'll give you an example:
I called out your little friend for putting up erroneous facts like I normally do with you. You might want to come back with "I looked it up and my little friend is right. You need to check YOUR facts you idiot!" Instead, you come up with your old "join date" comment. Is that the best you can come up with? My join date, lol. Did you really think you got me by posting about my join date? You still haven't told us the differences in the play calling between home and away games. You seen the differences. Just tell us. The "stop stalking me" and "we don't have to worry about it now" replies are so old. I'm calling you out every single time you post stupid asinine crap like that every single time. You better think twice before you post stupid crap like "I see the differences between the play calling between home and away games..."

Buwhahahahah!!!

Buh-Bye, Cam!!!

[CajunRaven]

Here Comes Norv!

NOoooooooooo!

[CajunRaven]

The inconsistency was just too consistent.

Nothing for 55 minutes at SD, then 10 points in the last 5. Great first half against the Skins, then nothing for the next 23 minutes. Too many times the offense virtually failed to participate in a whole half / three-quarters of a game. The disappearance of Ray Rice in the offense at times. The second and third quarter at CLE. On and on. There are problems on the O line to be sure, but enough was enough. The WRs might have their pros and cons, but there are few quick slant patterns, no quick routes, very few WR screens, very few RB screens (with Ray Rice!), etc. The route tree is just too vanilla, and probably too deep too often given the quality of the O line.

My guess is that the way they ended the first half yesterday was probably the last straw when combined with the loss. It seemed fairly apparent on the broadcast that Harbaugh was surprised / ticked off with the "attack" on that last drive... even with two TOs and a strong-legged kicker on the sideline. Plus Gannon made a comment on yesterday's broadcast that, overlooked by most, probably alarmed the higher-ups... something about Flacco suggesting a new offensive philosophy was needed (I don't remember the exact wording, but that was the gist of it).

What kind of change Caldwell can muster in the final weeks remains to be seen.

This.

[CajunRaven]

A year too late. Did anyone notice Harbaugh having words with Cameron on the sidelines yesterday? The first time I've ever seen that. Got right in his face. I had a feeling something was up.

Now, Pees must be shown the door also. The defense is also in serious trouble. Hell, the whole damn team is in serious trouble.

I saw it. They also said Ray Rice was visibly angry at the end of the game with 26 seconds left and the offense took a knee.

[CajunRaven]

It was easy to blame Cam for the offensive problems since there have really not been any real injuries to the offense. You can't say that about the defense. Several key injuries with 2nd and 3rd strings filling in on the defense. Is Pees to blame? Really??

The defense had actually started playing better the last four games, but with Suggs and Ellerbie out, plus the CBs injuries, it's tough to to put it on him just yet.