Kos quote of the day

[soulflower]

How can conservatives fix their electoral problems if they can't even properly diagnose the symptoms? Go tell deeply Democratic Silicon Valley, or deeply Democratic NYC, or deeply Democratic Research Triangle in North Carolina, or deeply Democratic Seattle that those national centers of economic growth and entrepreneurship are somehow incompatible with liberal values.

It's the opposite, in fact—those bastions of economic development and job creation are deeply Democratic because they've realized that government is a partner in economic development (from education to infrastructure), and that tolerance allows you to draw from the most creative and talented individuals in (literally) the world.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...-bigoted-party

Thoughts?

[BiggSeth]

meh.

more communist claptrap from the obama regime's favorite water carrier.

[Calamari]

Oh man the hedgebots are going to short circuit, lol.

[sushilover]

Thoughts?

Detroit. Baltimore. Overtown. Compton. Barry Obama.

All bastions of liberal failure deluxe.

[SemiAuto]

Are the TBTF fat cats of NY City's Wall Street really 'liberal'? Not in the classical sense. Not by a long shot.

It's the opposite, in fact—those bastions of economic development and job creation are deeply Democratic because they've realized that government is a partner in economic development (from education to infrastructure), and that tolerance allows you to draw from the most creative and talented individuals in (literally) the world.

Too often that 'partner in economic development' is nothing more than cronyism and corporatism. Again, that is not liberal, not in the classical sense, not by a long shot.

Is what went on with GM 'liberal'? No. Obamacare? No. Solyndra? No.

[ms maggie]

Are the TBTF fat cats of NY City's Wall Street really 'liberal'? Not in the classical sense. Not by a long shot.


Too often that 'partner in economic development' is nothing more than cronyism and corporatism. Again, that is not liberal, not in the classical sense, not by a long shot.

NYC is the center of more than banking/Wall Street--retail, media, marketing, sports etc. I don't think Wall Street has a political leaning, it's allegiances tend to be almost entirely situational.

[SemiAuto]

NYC is the center of more than banking/Wall Street--retail, media, marketing, sports etc. I don't think Wall Street has a political leaning, it's allegiances tend to be almost entirely situational.

They buy whoever they can. The point is that ain't any sort of 'liberal' value.

The koskids would do well to learn the difference between corporatism and liberalism (in the classical sense). To pretend that they're interchangeable for the sake of scoring political points is rather shallow but I suppose that isn't anything new for them.

It would also be advisable that when looking at Silicon Valley that one should look at the rest of the state of California. The bigger picture of 'liberalism' there is a train wreck.

[soulflower]

Are the TBTF fat cats of NY City's Wall Street really 'liberal'? Not in the classical sense. Not by a long shot.


Too often that 'partner in economic development' is nothing more than cronyism and corporatism. Again, that is not liberal, not in the classical sense, not by a long shot.

Is what went on with GM 'liberal'? No. Obamacare? No. Solyndra? No.

Put another way, Republicans/Conservatives aren't electorally competitive or influential in MOST of the knowledge and economic centers of the country except maybe Texas.

The full context of the quote deals with the question of why Asians voted for Dems n 2012 and whether the GOP really is a bunch of anti-intellectual bigots...

[SemiAuto]

Put another way, Republicans/Conservatives aren't electorally competitive or influential in MOST of the knowledge and economic centers of the country except maybe Texas.

The same can be said for some Democrat bastions that are train wrecks and others that are beholden to cronyism. If the koskids want to equate that with 'liberal values' then they're sorely mistaken. One might as well say that BigOil is liberal by that standard but that would be absurd. So the kos quote is not particularly well thought out. Nothing new there.

I do agree that social conservatives are anti-liberal. Gay marriage is to them what gun control is to the left: anti-liberal bigotry.

[soulflower]

The Kos quote is a response to a Charles Murray article

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/11/why...s-republicans/

[soulflower]

The same can be said for some Democrat bastions that are train wrecks and others that are beholden to cronyism. If the koskids want to equate that with 'liberal values' then they're sorely mistaken. One might as well say that BigOil is liberal by that standard but that would be absurd. So the kos quote is not particularly well thought out. Nothing new there.

I get what you're saying but that's a different topic.

The point of the quote is, why are these bastions of wealth creation and scientific ideas far more liberal than conservative?

Another question could be, why are such an overwhelming number of academics, Liberals?

Charles Murray says that Asians view republicans as a bunch of anti-intellectual bigots. Kos wonders if maybe that's because most republicans are anti-intellectual, or bigots?

[dsummoner]

The more fiscally Libbie (aka socialist aka deeply Democratic) 'deeply Democratic Silicon Valley, or deeply Democratic NYC, or deeply Democratic Research Triangle in North Carolina, or deeply Democratic Seattle' become, the more they will kill the goose that lays the golden eggs (aka capitalism). This is already being seen in France and in London (the latter losing its standing among the financial capitols of the world). As far as Seattle goes when it comes to the Libbie (aka socialist aka deeply Democratic) portion of the fiscal platform...

Socialist Wins 29% of the Vote in Seattle — Historic Opportunities to Challenge Corporate Politics...

“We achieved this election result as an openly Socialist campaign that was largely ignored by the corporate media, with no corporate donations, on a shoe-string budget,” explained Sawant. The campaign had to take the Washington Secretary of State, the Attorney General, and King County to court to allow Sawant's party, Socialist Alternative, to be printed on the ballot.

As this takes root with the 'eat the rich' and 'corporations are bad' mantra of the Libbie (aka socialist aka deeply Democratic) denizens, expect the corporations and entrepreneurs to say no thank you. The wealthy (aka the actual rich) might hang around just up until the Libbies (aka socialists aka deeply Democratics) start in with their wealth tax.

[dsummoner]

Another question could be, why are such an overwhelming number of academics, Liberals?

Where does their funding come from (especially now that Liberal is Conservative)?

[SemiAuto]

The Kos quote is a response to a Charles Murray article

http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/11/why...s-republicans/

Wow... what part of this can't be fisked:

My thesis is that the GOP is in trouble across the electoral board because it has become identified in the public mind with social conservatism. Large numbers of Independents and Democrats who are naturally attracted to arguments of fiscal discipline, less government interference in daily life, greater personal responsibility, and free enterprise refuse to vote for Republicans because they are so put off by the positions and rhetoric of social conservatives, whom they take to represent the spirit of the “real” GOP.

Fiscal discipline? The GOP only talks about it. Their behavior is sheer recklessness.
Less government interference in daily life? This is right out of the right wing betaverse. Social conservatism about MORE government interference in daily life. The exact opposite what the GOP claims to stand for and then fails.
Greater personal responsibility? Please, they have just as many interest groups at the government feeding trough.
Free enterprise? Same deal. They're just as corporatist as the Dems when it suits them.

The 'real' GOP is imaginary.

[SemiAuto]

I get what you're saying but that's a different topic.

The point of the quote is, why are these bastions of wealth creation and scientific ideas far more liberal than conservative?

As pointed out, if you count cronyism and corporatism as liberal then you have a point. I wouldn't call Texas and its BigOil machine 'liberal' but by the koskids less than stellar definition they would be. The quote is bunk because the exceptions are large and numerous.

Another question could be, why are such an overwhelming number of academics, Liberals?

Groupthink? Of course that wouldn't be exactly academic or liberal. This is why I insist on using the term 'liberal' in the classical sense. Outside of it the term becomes meaningless. This koskids quote is demonstrating it.

Charles Murray says that Asians view republicans as a bunch of anti-intellectual bigots. Kos wonders if maybe that's because most republicans are anti-intellectual, or bigots?

I agree that social conservatives aren't doing the GOP any favors here.