Meanwhile In Lansing, Michigan...

[Sprightly]

Who has ever been forced to join a union? You may consider it semantics, but the most anyone has been forced is to pay service fees - which are not dues, to unions for the cost of collective bargaining on their behalf. This is less about freedom to join a union (which is unchanged) and more about some workers wanting benefits at the expense of someone else.

It's about not being forced to do either.

[Mom49of4]

Are they dues or are they service fees? In state gov't, there are two payers - dues payers (union members) and fees payers (non members). Since non-union members get the same "negotiated" benefits, their fees pay for the cost of collective bargaining.

A fee payer can choose to join a union.

There are called union dues.

[BlandFood]

'WE ARE UNION!' Tempers flare

'THERE WILL BE BLOOD'

VIDEO: Angry mob ransacks tent

Thugs go wild!

To protest right-to-work bill, teachers call in sick...Only 7% of Detroit 8th Graders Proficient in Reading...

Where were the cops when these Pro-Obama, Democrat voting, Union Thugs were tearing down the tent with people inside?

Where were the cops when these Pro-Obama, Democrat voting, Union Thugs were violently attacking and beating people?

The CinC COULD call in the Calvary but unfortunately he would do it against the Americans.

http://www.americanspecialops.com/im...30-gunship.jpg

[OldBay]

There are called union dues.

Are you talking about private or public employment in MD?

[OldBay]

It's about not being forced to do either.

That's fine - except the deadbeats want the same benefits unions negotiate through collective bargaining. Everybody wants someone else to pay.

[flyboy56]

You assume that every union works the same way. Have you considered that your assumption might be incorrect?

We have no negotiated breaks.

OldBay, has anyone yet posted in support of your union views concerning the work place? As in lax and liberal? So far I have only seen posters who support by experience with unions.

[Mom49of4]

I am employed and it says on my pay stub union dues.

[OldBay]

OldBay, has anyone yet posted in support of your union views concerning the work place? As in lax and liberal? So far I have only seen posters who support by experience with unions.

You and I seem to be comparing apples and oranges. My experience is with public sector unions, not private sector.

[flyboy56]

That's fine - except the deadbeats want the same benefits unions negotiate through collective bargaining. Everybody wants someone else to pay.

Non union members have no choice in that. Where does that law come from?

[OldBay]

I am employed and it says on my pay stub union dues.

Are you employed by the state or by a private business?

[Mom49of4]

What difference does it make?

[OldBay]

Non union members have no choice in that. Where does that law come from?

State law in MD requires all employees to receive the same benefits negotiated through collective bargaining. Other states have their own laws, but I'm unaware of one that provides negotiated benefits only to union members.

[The Shadow]

Prediction: The pro-Obama, Democrat voting Union will soon require all of their members to wear a Union pin or patch on the job, so that non-union workers can be easily identified for harassment. Be it threats and bullying; having their cars keyed, their tires slashed; to physical assaults when no one is looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaqI20WHyk

[OldBay]

What difference does it make?

If you work for the state of MD, you are not forced to join a union. Your paystub may say union dues - because payroll does not have a separate entry for fees payers. If you never signed a union card, you are not a member of a union.

Again:

Fees-payers = non-members

Dues payers = members

[flyboy56]

You and I seem to be comparing apples and oranges. My experience is with public sector unions, not private sector.

When I drove a public transportation bus in San Antonio, a condition of employment was joined the union. The first day of work the union steward gave me the rules straight up. Follow them or I'd be gone. They had more power than the company when it came to disciplining an employee. And yes I worked for private sector unions as well. I saw no difference except Public sector unions can't strike. Without the ability to strike they really have no collective bargaining power.

[OldBay]

Prediction: The pro-Obama, Democrat voting Union will soon require all of their members to wear a Union pin or patch on the job, so that non-union workers can be easily identified for harassment. Be it threats and bullying; having their cars keyed, their tires slashed; to physical assaults when no one is looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaqI20WHyk

That must be some good stuff you're smoking. Paranoia is a symptom.

[flyboy56]

State law in MD requires all employees to receive the same benefits negotiated through collective bargaining. Other states have their own laws, but I'm unaware of one that provides negotiated benefits only to union members.

Well then blame the state law, not the employees who just want a job without getting involved with unions.

[flyboy56]

That must be some good stuff you're smoking. Paranoia is a symptom.

Pinkerton's in reverse. Workers became what they despised.

[OldBay]

When I drove a public transportation bus in San Antonio, a condition of employment was joined the union. The first day of work the union steward gave me the rules straight up. Follow them or I'd be gone. They had more power than the company when it came to disciplining an employee. And yes I worked for private sector unions as well. I saw no difference except Public sector unions can't strike. Without the ability to strike they really have no collective bargaining power.

Was it public or a company - you stated both. In MD state gov't, union membership is a tiny minority and there are no separate "rules".

Its really the lack of binding arbitration that makes collective bargaining worth so little.

[flyboy56]

If you work for the state of MD, you are not forced to join a union. Your paystub may say union dues - because payroll does not have a separate entry for fees payers. If you never signed a union card, you are not a member of a union.

Again:

Fees-payers = non-members

Dues payers = members

Seems we are getting schooled on how MD public worker unions operate. It's good information.