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Thread: OVERTIME OVERSIGHT: A breakdown of Flacco's Last Play in OT

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    Your boyfriend told me you were the joke
    You've got some very serious issues. And that's no joke.

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    2006, I think you make some good points, but having pored over this play, I disagree with your main thrust on the problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Other things to note...

    The Redskins D line to Joe's left gets a great jump off the snap, and pushes the left side back. Most victimized of all was Jah Reid, who was pushed 6 yards back in two seconds. Really, check the clock when the ball is snapped vs. when Jah Reid is pushed back IN TO Flacco as he's about the throw. 6 yards back.
    Did you look at my breakdown? There was a blitz from the left side. The only push was Jah. Others met their blocks in the backfield. That's not a push. It is true that Jah's bump into Flacco caused him to bug out, but he had ample time to throw a pass before the bump. There was NO ONE OPEN on the side where Flacc was looking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Boldin had drawn double and left Torrey with soft coverage on the sideline by the safety. Had he thrown then, instead of being bumped in to by his own inept OLman, it's a first down.
    NO WAY. Boldin did not draw double coverage, at all. They were in man coverage and Hall was jumping Boldin's route--as is the tendency of Redskins corners, they peek in the backfield and cheat on their routes. Had Joe tried to squeeze that into a NOT open Torrey on the sideline, Hall was in perfect position to intercept. I can document this. They did double Q when he adjusted to Joe's scramble and crossed the field. But the original coverage was man, safety over the top.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    When he pulled away from the contact, Rice was battling another man right in Joe's face... so he turned and took off. Not sure you could expect Joe to be looking 15+ yards to his left for Rice, when a second earlier Rice was 10 yards in the backfield trying to block.
    Yet and still, it is the QB's job to keep scanning the field. Joe became discombobulated after the 360 spin. He panicked and ran. All he had to do was lift the ball, slow down, and peek left. Rice was calling for it and wide. An easy spot for an NFL QB. That would be really tough for, say, a Pop Warner rookie.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    I think it's a stretch to say Joe EVER really had time to "set himself" on the play. In a series of freeze frames, it's easy to find spots he could have gone with the ball. In real time, the line blew up in his face pretty much right away, and he took off.
    The problem here is, my freeze frames come from the real time video, friend. Joe looped WAY back after he got bumped by Jah. Jah might've gotten pushed back, but he did hold the block. Joe looped way back and then started running. A d-lineman came free but Bobbie lined up a block and took him out. It's at this point that Joe could've set himself and thrown immediately. I'm not the only one who saw this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Had he actually made the LB miss, Joe would have wound up near midfield, WELL past the first down marker. We were happy when he made a similar play in KC in the final minutes to put a game away.
    Obviously. But that was not the best move because Joe is not a runner. It almost sounds like you're trying to absolve Joe of fault in this play. Talking about "possibilities if" is not justification for a blown play. Also, vs. KC Joe's play did not salt the game, RayRice's three runs to get a first down did. After Joe got the first down, they had two timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. And when he ran, he was not heading directly towards a spying LB. He had a wide open field in front of him. So that play was very different and I wish he had that room last Sunday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravens2006 View Post
    Back to the key failure... the Redskins D line got a great jump.
    I disagree, again. There was a blitz from the left side which Ray and Oher met in the backfield. The entire right side of their line pulled back in a zone blitz look, and the two interiors had a loop scheme going, so they did not run right up the field. Where was the awesome jump?? Jah Reid got pushed back, yes. But that was slow in developing, relatively. That is not an excuse to stop looking for receivers. While I do agree that the center could be giving keys to the snap timing, and we need to improve, the line "jump" is not what ruined this play. Joe simply did not make his best decisions. PLUS, Cameron gave him absolutely NOTHING to work with by way of play design.

    Oh, and, about the "jump", we got them to reveal their blitz in whole by false cadence on this play. So the "jump" was nullified. Heck, after just watching the Coaches film on this play again, I would argue that they did not get a jump at all. They moved after the ball was moved. A jump is anticipating the movement. What happened is Jah got bullrushed. But again, he did not lose his block; he messed up the pocket by bumping Flacco.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jessup270 View Post
    To put Flacco's ability into a few words, its like the movie title, "as good as it gets".
    Maybe, maybe not, time will tell. There are a few things he needs to better. But, last year, he had the team going to the SB, it wasn't his fault they didn't get there. He also didn't get them to the AFCC all by himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan View Post
    LOL @ Lighten Up.

    Ya mad?

    (The only "joke" around here...is you. man.)
    We're going to wait just a little longer before digging into you, OCF. Cam is gone now. No more alibis, right? Now we're really gonna see some quaterbacking these next 3 games right? Yeah right.
    You're the arse. And Joe's gonna make you look like a bigger fool each week now, boy. You've set yourself up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by West Chester Raven View Post
    We're going to wait just a little longer before digging into you, OCF. Cam is gone now. No more alibis, right? Now we're really gonna see some quaterbacking these next 3 games right? Yeah right.
    You're the arse. And Joe's gonna make you look like a bigger fool each week now, boy. You've set yourself up.
    Wow...twin mutants.


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    Quote Originally Posted by West Chester Raven View Post
    We're going to wait just a little longer before digging into you, OCF. Cam is gone now. No more alibis, right? Now we're really gonna see some quaterbacking these next 3 games right? Yeah right.
    You're the arse. And Joe's gonna make you look like a bigger fool each week now, boy. You've set yourself up.
    Nah, the excuse will be that he's learning a new system.

    Trust me, I hope I'm wrong. I'll be more than happy to eat crow if he lights it up the next three weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalColtsFan View Post
    You've got some very serious issues. And that's no joke.
    lol. Agree, have you ever seen anyone on this board that is as negative as this guy? Never a positive thought, always negative. Some serious issues there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessup270 View Post
    I think Flacco is a good guy, but the reality might be that Flacco has reached the point, that he is as good and he is going to be.

    If you can accept Flacco's performance at his level, that is OK. Lots of teams would like to have him.

    Will Flacco get you a SB win, thats the hard question that management has to address.

    My guess is that Flacco will not take any team to a SB win. He has lots of skills but is not a complete package.
    He would at least have gotten them to the SB this past year if not for Lee Evans, another one of Newsome' s not so great picks.

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