Federal appeals court overturns Illinois ban on carrying concealed weapons

[Jeebus]

In a split opinion, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court ruling in two cases downstate that upheld the state's longstanding prohibition against carrying concealed weapons.

"We are disinclined to engage in another round of historical analysis to determine whether eighteenth-century America understood the Second Amendment to include a right to bear guns outside the home," Judge Richard Posner wrote in the court's majority opinion.

"The Supreme Court has decided that the amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside. The theoretical and empirical evidence (which overall is inconclusive) is consistent with concluding that a right to carry firearms in public may promote self-defense," he continued.

"Illinois had to provide us with more than merely a rational basis for believing that its uniquely sweeping ban is justified by an increase in public safety. It has failed to meet this burden," Posner wrote.

A HUGE win for gun-rights advocates, and bodes well for the upcoming 4th Circuit decision in the Maryland case.

[RavnFreek]

Great news!!

[Charles Guggenheimer]

"...Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/politics/2...d_weapons.html

[Windman]

Excellent day for freedom!!! Bad day for the false god and his minions. The 2nd Amendment protects the people from the government but socialist democrats can't see that. The politicians have tons of armed guards to protect them, the morons in Hollywood have tons of armed guards to protect them, the uber rich have tons of armed guards to protect them but the nurse leaving the night shift at a city hospital going home to her kids well after she votes socialist democrat f-her. Criminals like obama don't like the idea of the unwashed being able to defend themselves much less if obama forbid that they rise up against the tyrannical government that he heads up. He is OK if the local crack dealer has a gun after all he is a victim. This has indeed been a bad day for the false god and his minions but a great day for freedom. Last thought, the first thing that Hitler did when he took over a country was disarm the people so they could not fight back. If you think it can't happen here just give people like obama and Micheal Moore a chance.

[The Eternal White Belt]

Excellent day for freedom!!! Bad day for the false god and his minions. The 2nd Amendment protects the people from the government but socialist democrats can't see that. The politicians have tons of armed guards to protect them, the morons in Hollywood have tons of armed guards to protect them, the uber rich have tons of armed guards to protect them but the nurse leaving the night shift at a city hospital going home to her kids well after she votes socialist democrat f-her. Criminals like obama don't like the idea of the unwashed being able to defend themselves much less if obama forbid that they rise up against the tyrannical government that he heads up. He is OK if the local crack dealer has a gun after all he is a victim. This has indeed been a bad day for the false god and his minions but a great day for freedom. Last thought, the first thing that Hitler did when he took over a country was disarm the people so they could not fight back. If you think it can't happen here just give people like obama and Micheal Moore a chance.

This is exhibit "A" regarding why people who are pro-gun rights have a bad rap.

Anyway, good news for Illinois. Too bad I can't expect to see the same in MD in my lifetime.

[Jeebus]

Although their decision doesn't carry an "weight" in the matter before the 4th Circuit, it does give them another "decided case" to consider.

I expect Illinois to do the same challenges as MD is doing, dragging it out as long as possible, wasting the time and money of the state.

[reg_indy]

Excellent day for freedom!!! Bad day for the false god and his minions. The 2nd Amendment protects the people from the government but socialist democrats can't see that. The politicians have tons of armed guards to protect them, the morons in Hollywood have tons of armed guards to protect them, the uber rich have tons of armed guards to protect them but the nurse leaving the night shift at a city hospital going home to her kids well after she votes socialist democrat f-her. Criminals like obama don't like the idea of the unwashed being able to defend themselves much less if obama forbid that they rise up against the tyrannical government that he heads up. He is OK if the local crack dealer has a gun after all he is a victim. This has indeed been a bad day for the false god and his minions but a great day for freedom. Last thought, the first thing that Hitler did when he took over a country was disarm the people so they could not fight back. If you think it can't happen here just give people like obama and Micheal Moore a chance.

Wingnut much?

[bmore_ken]

If you think it can't happen here just give people like obama and Micheal Moore a chance.

Obama has had 4 years, what gun rights or restriction legislation did he sign?

[Jeebus]

Obama has had 4 years, what gun rights or restriction legislation did he sign?

What gun rights or restrictions have been presented to him to sign?

[bmore_ken]

What gun rights or restrictions have been presented to him to sign?

Ask Windman, he brought up Obama Nancy

[banner1124]

What gun rights or restrictions have been presented to him to sign?

Well he hasn't really asked for them has he? Has he been pushing for any gun rights restrictions? Has he even hinted at trying to take anyone's guns away? From what I can see all that's happened on Obama's watch re guns is that you can now conceal carry in a couple more places than you could before Obama was president. That evil gun-hating bastard!

[Jeebus]

Has he even hinted at trying to take anyone's guns away?

Yes, he has.

Do you just blindly accept being spoon-fed by the leftist media or do you actually want to understand the issues by actually listening and understanding what his positions are?

What President Obama Says He'll Do To Your Gun Rights

Let’s hear what else he had to say.

Obama continued, “And so what I’m trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced.”

Obama might not know that, but he seems aware that such a ban wouldn’t work. He went on to say, “…frankly, in my hometown of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap handguns.”

So okay, Obama seems to know that stopping law-abiding Americans from buying firearms that look a certain way isn’t going to stop criminals, but he wants to curb Second Amendment freedoms anyway.

Jeez, the level of ignorance you display continues to leave me nonplussed.

[banner1124]

Yes, he has.

Do you just blindly accept being spoon-fed by the leftist media or do you actually want to understand the issues by actually listening and understanding what his positions are?

What President Obama Says He'll Do To Your Gun Rights





Jeez, the level of ignorance you display continues to leave me nonplussed.

Oh, you mean he supports the same assault weapons ban that was previously in place and that has support on both sides of the aisle?

What else you got genius?

[bmore_ken]

I see nothing in that story about taking guns away from anyone but criminals

Obama said, “…I believe in the Second Amendment. We’ve got a long tradition of hunting and sportsmen and people who want to make sure they can protect themselves.”

[banner1124]

I see nothing in that story about taking guns away from anyone but criminals

I'm not even going to try to get into a rational debate with Jeebus because he's demonstrated time and time again that he's about as sharp as a sack of wet mice.

[Jeebus]

Oh, you mean he supports the same assault weapons ban that was previously in place and that has support on both sides of the aisle?

What else you got genius?

You said:

Has he even hinted at trying to take anyone's guns away?

Which proves, beyond a doubt, you are a liar. His statement is MUCH more than "a hint."

Unless you conclude that his statement in favor a a reintroduction of an "assault" weapons ban" is not a hint.

[banner1124]

You said:



Which proves, beyond a doubt, you are a liar. His statement is MUCH more than "a hint."

Unless you conclude that his statement in favor a a reintroduction of an "assault" weapons ban" is not a hint.

Such a ban still wouldn't take anyone's guns away. Typically that type of ban doesn't take a gun that you've already got as there's usually a grandfathering provision. Now, if you can prove he's against such a grandfathering provision then you've got a case, otherwise my point still stands that he's not trying to take anyone's guns away.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Such a ban still wouldn't take anyone's guns away. Typically that type of ban doesn't take a gun that you've already got as there's usually a grandfathering provision. Now, if you can prove he's against such a grandfathering provision then you've got a case, otherwise my point still stands that he's not trying to take anyone's guns away.

Obama, like every other president, or pol for that matter, is a political animal.
Yes, he said he'd like to reintroduce the AWB. However, he even noted sometime ago, that the votes simply would not be there. So in effect he said to the anti-gun portion of his base, "Yes, we should do it, but unfortunately we don't have the votes." He also remembers that Clinton was every bit as popular then as he is now, but an AWB cost them dearly in 1994 elections and played a roll in Al Gore's defeat. Tennessee didn't even go for Gore for that very reason. With Tennessee's electoral votes Gore would have been president. These things have not been forgotten. At this point I'm beginning to wonder if Obama looks at the more left-wing members of his party and wishes they would just shut up, but he can't say that because he knows he will need their support for other things and can't afford to alienate them.

The gist of this long winded diatribe is that;

1. Even if he could institute an AWB, he knows what it would cost him politically.
2. The votes for it simply aren't there.

The simple fact is that the previous AWB would not have prevented any of these mass shootings.

Why?

1. To my knowledge, none of these victims have been bayoneted or burned to death by the flash from a muzzle device. Without these two devices and a collapsible stock, military style semi autos continued to be sold. Frank Reynolds on ABC news, the night the original AWB passed, was incredulous when shown these facts. I remember him looking at the camera and saying that it did absolutely nothing but change cosmetic features.
BTW, the collapsible stock is not for reducing weapon size to make it more concealable. Its main purpose is be able to adjust length of the stock due to thickness and bulk of clothing, so that the aiming position of your eye is correct in relation to the rear sight.

2. There were millions of magazines in circulation in 1994. Millions, we had to pay a little more for them, but they were still available. Since the AWB sunset in 2004, it would not surprise me to know that billions now exist. They are not gonna disappear just because somebody says they are illegal.

It's pointless to even think about it. The Jeannie is out of the bottle and can't be put back in. This is not lost on Obama.

[Contumacious]

In a split opinion, the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a lower court ruling in two cases downstate that upheld the state's longstanding prohibition against carrying concealed weapons.



A HUGE win for gun-rights advocates, and bodes well for the upcoming 4th Circuit decision in the Maryland case.

That is REALLY great news. I am very happy to see that Judge Posner, who is fully familiar with Libertarian principles, has redeemed himself.

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[jtowne-swim]

Yes, he has.

Do you just blindly accept being spoon-fed by the leftist media or do you actually want to understand the issues by actually listening and understanding what his positions are?

What President Obama Says He'll Do To Your Gun Rights





Jeez, the level of ignorance you display continues to leave me nonplussed.

According to your own quotes he simply wants to stop violent crimes and is open to multiple ideas.