R.I.P. MIAA "A" Conference Championship

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Honestly, I thought it was stupid for the MIAA to have a playoff in the first place. Maybe a "one-off" game after thanksgiving for the top two teams would be enough? I don't buy at all that this is some conspiracy by the Catholic schools (sounds too much like mid 18th century anti-Catholic prejudice, lol) to ruin Gilman and McD. Also, I think it's ridiculous for the other members to be scared of those two institutions leaving. Who cares? If they do, the other schools will go on and so will Gilman and McD.

As far as recruiting and breaking MIAA rules: I agree with the folks (on this board GA) that say a private school and individual can do what they want with their money. Legally that is correct. With that said it doesn't mean a football at any cost mentality is ethical or beneficial. In ten years if the medical consensus is that 12-14 year olds should not be playing contact football will anyone feel good about "recruting" the best kids for a high school team? A little perspective is needed I think.

I don't think the schools are "scared" per se of Gilman and McDonogh leaving. But if they do, the conference for all intensive purposes will be done. Especially for football. It would then be basically the Big East(a conference where basketball is the only thing taken seriously). Also if Gilman and McDonogh leaves, BL and St. Paul's will be right behind them. There goes lacrosse as well.

Kids Younger than 12-14 year olds have been playing football for how long now? Over 80 years(Pop Warner football was founded in 1929)! I mean an argument can be made that football shouldn't be a sport but we all know that's not going to happen. I don't think you have much of an argument against recruiting using this platform.

[pmore108]

I don't think the schools are "scared" per se of Gilman and McDonogh leaving. But if they do, the conference for all intensive purposes will be done. Especially for football. It would then be basically the Big East(a conference where basketball is the only thing taken seriously). Also if Gilman and McDonogh leaves, BL and St. Paul's will be right behind them. There goes lacrosse as well.

Kids Younger than 12-14 year olds have been playing football for how long now? Over 80 years(Pop Warner football was founded in 1929)! I mean an argument can be made that football shouldn't be a sport but we all know that's not going to happen. I don't think you have much of an argument against recruiting using this platform.

I seriously doubt that BL and St. Paul's will be right behind McD and Gilman. I also don't see Gilman and McD leaving for what essentially is a football reason. With regard to recruiting my point was that there should not be as much emphasis on the ability of a 12 year old no matter how "big of a business" high school football has become. Like I said, any private school can give whatever money they want, doesn't make it ethically right. Additionally if they go about it in a shady manner even if it is legally right, then it is morally wrong. That is something all of these schools preach against so I would hope they would take the high road when the choice is in front of them.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I seriously doubt that BL and St. Paul's will be right behind McD and Gilman. I also don't see Gilman and McD leaving for what essentially is a football reason. With regard to recruiting my point was that there should not be as much emphasis on the ability of a 12 year old no matter how "big of a business" high school football has become. Like I said, any private school can give whatever money they want, doesn't make it ethically right. Additionally if they go about it in a shady manner even if it is legally right, then it is morally wrong. That is something all of these schools preach against so I would hope they would take the high road when the choice is in front of them.

I don't think Gilman or McDonogh will leave without some sort of big plan behind it. Like what Insider suggested, a regional league. But I think you underestimate just how closely align BL and St. Paul's is to Gilman and McDonogh. Anything these schools do(if they do anything), I would bet would involve all of them.

What is morally wrong with giving a disadvantage kid the opportunity to get a top notch education and succeed in life? I don't see a moral issue with this at all. Now people can debate the ethics behind how these kids go to whatever school. But I would counter with this, the schools aren't dealing with 13 year olds, they are dealing with their parents. It's the parents decision to send thier kid to a school. Whatever decision they make is on them.

Now I know of stories of kid's whose parents are pawning them off to the highest bidder. But speaking of Gilman, I can tell you that they don't play these games. I can tell you of how they have walked away from kids because of their parents.

[pmore108]

I don't think Gilman or McDonogh will leave without some sort of big plan behind it. Like what Insider suggested, a regional league. But I think you underestimate just how closely align BL and St. Paul's is to Gilman and McDonogh. Anything these schools do(if they do anything), I would bet would involve all of them.

What is morally wrong with giving a disadvantage kid the opportunity to get a top notch education and succeed in life? I don't see a moral issue with this at all. Now people can debate the ethics behind how these kids go to whatever school. But I would counter with this, the schools aren't dealing with 13 year olds, they are dealing with their parents. It's the parents decision to send thier kid to a school. Whatever decision they make is on them.

Now I know of stories of kid's whose parents are pawning them off to the highest bidder. But speaking of Gilman, I can tell you that they don't play these games. I can tell you of how they have walked away from kids because of their parents.

There is nothing morally wrong with giving a disadvantaged kid a chance. No person will disagree with that. This issue isn't as simple as that or all that happens when recruting occurs. If you don't think there is anything unethical about pumping up middle school kids who may amount to nothing athletically and starting a culture of entitlement with regard to athletics then that's fine but we disagree. Kids shouldn't be playing a sport at age 10 thinking about what private school they are going to attend. They should be enjoying the sport. There are 100 great reasons to attend a school like CHC, gilman, mcd, loyola, etc. Almost all of them have zero to do with and are more important than football.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

There is nothing morally wrong with giving a disadvantaged kid a chance. No person will disagree with that. This issue isn't as simple as that or all that happens when recruting occurs. If you don't think there is anything unethical about pumping up middle school kids who may amount to nothing athletically and starting a culture of entitlement with regard to athletics then that's fine but we disagree. Kids shouldn't be playing a sport at age 10 thinking about what private school they are going to attend. They should be enjoying the sport. There are 100 great reasons to attend a school like CHC, gilman, mcd, loyola, etc. Almost all of them have zero to do with and are more important than football.

Well this we actually agree on. Kids should be thinking about academics first and foremost. But the issues with recruiting and the mentality behind it goes back to the parents. Is up to the parents to keep their kids focused. If you have a strong household, all the extra outside distractions(when it comes to sports) will not be an issue.

[pmore108]

Well this we actually agree on. Kids should be thinking about academics first and foremost. But the issues with recruiting and the mentality behind it goes back to the parents. Is up to the parents to keep their kids focused. If you have a strong household, all the extra outside distractions(when it comes to sports) will not be an issue.

I agree parents are part of the equation but it is hard for kids not to get caught up when the parents are seduced by 'free rides', promises of scholarships, etc.

[Outside Looking In]

I agree parents are part of the equation but it is hard for kids not to get caught up when the parents are seduced by 'free rides', promises of scholarships, etc.

I agree with everything you said in your earlier posts. I have brought this up before and as usual GA spouts his mouth off about how it is their money and can do what they want with it. Only an imbecile would think that the parents are th only factor. 10-13 year old kids are different than of years past. With all of the social media and hype of sports these young kids will get caught up into it.

"Just because you have the right to do it does not mean it is right to do."

[Oldtime]

All good schools what's your point? I don't actually live in Baltimore full time and am from NYC and MANY PEOPLE in NYC have heard of Gilman. This is from personal knowledge. Maybe you should get out of Montgomery County because obviously you have no clue what the hell you're talking about.

Georgetown Prep is not nor never have been a basketball powerhouse. They have been pretty good in the past but never a Powehouse. There's no school nationally with the academic reputation in the Top 500, probably 1000 in football as Gilman.

My job actually takes me all around the country, so yes, I too have personal knowledge. Frequent travels to California, NYC, Florida, Texas, and throughout the Midwest. Not once has anyone ever mentioned Gilman to me.

My reference to GP as a Bball powerhouse was in direct reference to your earlier statement about Gilmans loss to them earlier this year. You said that GP is usually "very, very good", they aren't even ranked in the Washington Area.

My response today was to your claim that no other Private in the State can claim that 100% of their athletes get accepted into college.

It's great that you wear your Gilman pride so well, but sometimes you need to be kept in check.

Happy New Year.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

There is nothing morally wrong with giving a disadvantaged kid a chance. No person will disagree with that. This issue isn't as simple as that or all that happens when recruting occurs. If you don't think there is anything unethical about pumping up middle school kids who may amount to nothing athletically and starting a culture of entitlement with regard to athletics then that's fine but we disagree. Kids shouldn't be playing a sport at age 10 thinking about what private school they are going to attend. They should be enjoying the sport. There are 100 great reasons to attend a school like CHC, gilman, mcd, loyola, etc. Almost all of them have zero to do with and are more important than football.

My job actually takes me all around the country, so yes, I too have personal knowledge. Frequent travels to California, NYC, Florida, Texas, and throughout the Midwest. Not once has anyone ever mentioned Gilman to me.

My reference to GP as a Bball powerhouse was in direct reference to your earlier statement about Gilmans loss to them earlier this year. You said that GP is usually "very, very good", they aren't even ranked in the Washington Area.

My response today was to your claim that no other Private in the State can claim that 100% of their athletes get accepted into college.

It's great that you wear your Gilman pride so well, but sometimes you need to be kept in check.

Happy New Year.

I NEVER SAID that Gilman is the ONLY school that gets 100% of its athletes into college. Your haste to put down what I said and the school obviously blinded you to what I ACTUALLY wrote.

As far as people from other states not mentioning Gilman to you, why would they? You didn't attend Gilman. Why would you be having a conversation about the school? But amongst alumnus from same like schools around the country, Gilman is very well known.

[Outside Looking In]

[QUOTE=GREYHOUND ALUM;8239900]I'm not saying that DM(or the others)isn't a quality school or that they don't produce high academic individuals. But Gilman is a different sort of school. It's definitely considered one of the upper echelon academic institutions in the state. For instance, there has never been a Gilman athlete that didn't qualify for college. The other schools can't say this.[/QUOTE]

Do you even read your own posts? I take this as 100% of their athletes. How do you interpret this post?

[Oldtime]

I NEVER SAID that Gilman is the ONLY school that gets 100% of its athletes into college. Your haste to put down what I said and the school obviously blinded you to what I ACTUALLY wrote.

As far as people from other states not mentioning Gilman to you, why would they? You didn't attend Gilman. Why would you be having a conversation about the school? But amongst alumnus from same like schools around the country, Gilman is very well known.

Here's exactly what you said, "For instance, there has never been a Gilman athlete that didn't qualify for college. The other schools can't say this."

What am i missing?

Even others read it like I did. Did you write this?

[fylde5]

Here's exactly what you said, "For instance, there has never been a Gilman athlete that didn't qualify for college. The other schools can't say this."

What am i missing?

Even others read it like I did. Did you write this?

He frequently "MISREMEMBERS" what he has said in previous posts.

[Jeebus]

Do you even read your own posts? I take this as 100% of their athletes. How do you interpret this post?

Here's exactly what you said, "For instance, there has never been a Gilman athlete that didn't qualify for college. The other schools can't say this."

What am i missing?

Even others read it like I did. Did you write this?

He frequently "MISREMEMBERS" what he has said in previous posts.

Hilarious, he even lies about what he says himself.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

He frequently "MISREMEMBERS" what he has said in previous posts.

There you go again! chiming in and wrong again! You might want to read what I wrote and what the person wrote I was responding to. I NEVER SAID THAT GILMAN IS THE ONLY SCHOOL THAT SENDS ALL THEIR ATHLETES TO COLLEGE! If you can show me where I said that, I will never post again on here, since you wanted to join the peanut gallery, if you can't find where I said that, will you never post again? I will help you, I said that Gilman in comparison to ECA, DM and Good Counsel has all their ATHLETES QUALIFY FOR COLLEGE.

I suggest you sit back and continue to be silent because you're making yourself look stupid by aligning yourself with the idiots. Oldtime realized that I didn't say this and he's the one that initially made the comment but he was smart enough not to continue to press an issue that he realized that he was wrong about. I guess seeing and comprehending is hard to do at your age!

[Jeebus]

There you go again! chiming in and wrong again! You might want to read what I wrote and what the person wrote I was responding to. I NEVER SAID THAT GILMAN IS THE ONLY SCHOOL THAT SENDS ALL THEIR ATHLETES TO COLLEGE! If you can show me where I said that, I will never post again on here, since you wanted to join the peanut gallery, if you can't find where I said that, will you never post again? I will help you, I said that Gilman in comparison to ECA, DM and Good Counsel has all their ALTHLETES QUALIFY FOR COLLEGE.

For instance, there has never been a Gilman athlete that didn't qualify for college. The other schools can't say this.

1. Lets look at what you said. You are stating, without question, that every Gilman athlete in the history of the school (that's what "never" means btw) has qualified for college.

I would hope so, seems to be a pretty expensive babysitting operation if they didn't. However, I would suggest you look and see of any of them had to attend prep school first, as in US Naval Academy Prep in Newport, before "qualifying" for the USNA - you may be surprised.

FYI - NAPS does not accept students who are qualified for USNA. If they are qualified they go directly to USNA without stopping at NAPS.

Therefore if any Gilman athlete has ever attended NAPS, you must leave.

Oops - found one. Cya later.

lol, have fun re-registering with a new name, as you must self-ban yourself for being caught in another lie.

Or lie about "never posting again" as you just stated.

[gillytech]

Putting aside the fact that I can't find anything in your link to confirm that "NAPS does not accept students who are qualified for USNA", the Naval Academy and West Point use NAPS and the other prep schools to stockpile talent because they're limited in the number of applicants they can admit in any given year. Of the Gilman grads that have gone that route, every one I'm aware of had qualified for and been and accepted into several colleges out of Gilman but wanted to go to the service academy; however, they didn't have an appointment lined up. My best friend at Gilman went to a prep school before attending West Point and playing lax. The only reason he didn't "qualify" for admission to West Point out of Gilman was that his congressman had already used up her appointments for that year, so the Army set him up at a boarding school in CT for a year. Nothing else changed - his grades were already fine and his SAT scores were excellent; he just needed to wait for the congressman to appoint him. Bottom line: saying that a player wasn't "qualified" for USNA because they went to NAPS is simply misleading, and even if that was the case, who's to say that a Gilman grad who attended NAPS didn't already qualify for numerous other schools other than the Naval Academy? GA never said every Gilman athlete qualified for every school, just that every Gilman athlete has qualified for college somewhere. I also don't understand your point re: Kimball - are you trying to argue that kid that currently plays for Notre Dame didn't qualify for college because he attended NAPS? That's asinine.

[pmore108]

I agree with the above, comparing NAPS to a kid having to go the JUCO route, etc is a little misleading but I understand where Jeebus was coming from. It is also more than likely false to say that every Gilman athlete has qualified for college. That is a bold statement even though I think everyone can agree that Gilman is a fine academic institution. Also, not every kid chooses to go to college even at places like Gilman. I would bet that there have been kids who have graduated and joined the military, police force, etc. at some point.

[gillytech]

99.9% of Gilman grads immediately matriculate to college. The only ones I've heard of who didn't go that route have typically either gone to prep school to get more exposure and offers or deferred their college admission and taken the year off to travel, etc. before going to college, but that's very rare. I'm not aware of any Gilman grad who has enrolled in the miliatary or become a police officer (or begin any other career) before going to college. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it just doesn't occur at Gilman. Think about it - if you're a parent paying (or receiving aid) upwards of $20K/year to send your kid to Gilman, odds are you want the kid to continiue his education.

[pmore108]

99.9% of Gilman grads immediately matriculate to college. The only ones I've heard of who didn't go that route have typically either gone to prep school to get more exposure and offers or deferred their college admission and taken the year off to travel, etc. before going to college, but that's very rare. I'm not aware of any Gilman grad who has enrolled in the miliatary or become a police officer (or begin any other career) before going to college. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it just doesn't occur at Gilman. Think about it - if you're a parent paying (or receiving aid) upwards of $20K/year to send your kid to Gilman, odds are you want the kid to continiue his education.

I get what you are saying. 98-100% of the kids at all of the MIAA "A" schools attend college immediately following graduation. Like I said, making claims about 'all' or 'never' usually just turn out to be false because it is such a bold claim. I agree that parents send their kids to schools like this so they can continue their education that is one of the biggest benefits of the private school education in my opinion: the focus those schools have in getting kids into college.

[pmore108]

to follow up the above (in advance this isn't the right place for this) more kids from schools like Gilman and Mcd should join the service or serve in someway. There is a great book written about this by a guy named Frank Schaeffer co-authored with Kathy Roth-Douquet called AWOL: The Unexcused Absence of America's Upper Classes from Military Service—and How It Hurts Our Country. Suggest people check it out, it is pretty good.