R.I.P. MIAA "A" Conference Championship

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Super Hamilton team that Harco Beat in the MAFL Championship.... ok sorry had to throw that in there,,, now back to the reguarly scheduled MIAA debate...

Yeah but Hamilton beat them two times during the year and Hamilton went on to the National Championship game in Florida last weekend.

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Super Hamilton team that Harco Beat in the MAFL Championship.... ok sorry had to throw that in there,,, now back to the reguarly scheduled MIAA debate...

Well I do now that two CHC coaches told me at seprate times during the season that CHC is all for the playoffs. They were happy with the set up and how it was built around the turkey bowl. They also were one of the programs that pushed for the JV championship game to. I don't know were Watson got his info from but I can see CHC voting for the playoffs.

I don't doubt that CHC coaches were all for the playoffs but that doesn't mean the Administration was for it. Also saying it to you and voting for it behind closed doors is a total different story. And if the vote was 5-2, I promise you Gilman and McD were the two that voted for the playoffs.

[eaglesinsider]

I don't doubt that CHC coaches were all for the playoffs but that doesn't mean the Administration was for it. Also saying it to you and voting for it behind closed doors is a total different story. And if the vote was 5-2, I promise you Gilman and McD were the two that voted for the playoffs.

I haven't heard any rumblings of the board of trustees at McD forcing a vote. They tend to be neutral or pro football. Even if the Gilman trustees wanted to force a vote, this would have been a very odd time to do so. With John Schmick (Gilman's headmaster), who would fall at least partially in the "pro" football camp retiring at the end of the year, you would think the Gilman trustees would have waited till 2013 and tried to push the vote with a 1st year headmaster in office.

I think this is simply a case of CHC/Loyola (the 2 most prestigious Parochial schools in Baltimore) taking an opportunity that was presented to them by SFA moving up and giving the Catholic schools the super-majority. The rest of the Catholic schools followed them. They also caught the MIAA in a lame-duck period between executive directors. I don't even know who has the final say between Diggs and Dove.

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I haven't heard any rumblings of the board of trustees at McD forcing a vote. They tend to be neutral or pro football. Even if the Gilman trustees wanted to force a vote, this would have been a very odd time to do so. With John Schmick (Gilman's headmaster), who would fall at least partially in the "pro" football camp retiring at the end of the year, you would think the Gilman trustees would have waited till 2013 and tried to push the vote with a 1st year headmaster in office.

I think this is simply a case of CHC/Loyola (the 2 most prestigious Parochial schools in Baltimore) taking an opportunity that was presented to them by SFA moving up and giving the Catholic schools the super-majority. The rest of the Catholic schools followed them. They also caught the MIAA in a lame-duck period between executive directors. I don't even know who has the final say between Diggs and Dove.

There's no way in hell that Gilman's administration forced a vote. Like I said, not only did Biff not retire but the school signed him to a new contract. You're right on, CHC/Loyola saw this as their opportunity to get a majority vote and make the Turkey Bowl relevant again. But I think this will have HUGE ramifications and that the MIAA as we know it will never be the same.

[BJC]

The MIAA is so boring..Especially in basketball..where they play each other a hundred times a season. One good thing the publics have over the privates...March Madness in basketball is a good thing for the kids and thier respective communities.

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Yeah but Hamilton beat them two times during the year and Hamilton went on to the National Championship game in Florida last weekend.

What matters more play-offs or regular season? As far a FLA they better win... Almost all MD teams that go to those tournaments (pop warner, AYF, AAU etcc...) in FLA , Tex or anywhere down south or Ohio better win and do usually win... heres why.. Most of the good football states the best Middle School aged kids play for their Middle School.. The kids that can't make the MS Team play rec or AAU or whatever... Not taking away from Hamilton they are a great team with great players but those tournaments are not the states best players or teams... The Middle School teams are... Teams like Harco, Hamilton etc.. are a collection of kids that would go to various middle schools.. It not apples to Oranges in those tournaments.. just saying' For example a Wilmington DE team went down there and won the AYF national tounament.. A team that Harco did smoke with half their team missing and Hamilton would easily smoke as well...

In other words when I heard Hamilton was going to the tournament in FLA instead of the MYFC there was absolutely no question in my mind they would win it. I think the Hamilton coaches would tell you the competition would have been much tougher in the MYFC than what they saw...

Truth be told Hamilton and Harco were pretty even and both have some great players.. was just playing arround some..

[agentorange]

I thought Gilman was moving to the Big east Conference anyway...whats the big fuss about.

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I thought Gilman was moving to the Big east Conference anyway...whats the big fuss about.

Because the MIAA is stronger than the Big East Well it used to be anyway...

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What matters more play-offs or regular season? As far a FLA they better win... Almost all MD teams that go to those tournaments (pop warner, AYF, AAU etcc...) in FLA , Tex or anywhere down south or Ohio better win and do usually win... heres why.. Most of the good football states the best Middle School aged kids play for their Middle School.. The kids that can't make the MS Team play rec or AAU or whatever... Not taking away from Hamilton they are a great team with great players but those tournaments are not the states best players or teams... The Middle School teams are... Teams like Harco, Hamilton etc.. are a collection of kids that would go to various middle schools.. It not apples to Oranges in those tournaments.. just saying' For example a Wilmington DE team went down there and won the AYF national tounament.. A team that Harco did smoke with half their team missing and Hamilton would easily smoke as well...

In other words when I heard Hamilton was going to the tournament in FLA instead of the MYFC there was absolutely no question in my mind they would win it. I think the Hamilton coaches would tell you the competition would have been much tougher in the MYFC than what they saw...

Truth be told Hamilton and Harco were pretty even and both have some great players.. was just playing arround some..

Hamilton and Harco were definitely both loaded. Hamilton beat them pretty handily the first time they played, won a close won the second and lost a close the last time. You're probably right, they are pretty close. I think Hamilton from what I saw(albeit on film) had more talent. That being said, schools are getting some serious talent from both of those squads(hear Gilman is loading up on both sides, although CHC is getting Harco's best player).

[prepfan]

The preponderance of opinion of the area prep football scene was that the MIAA A playoffs just did not cut it. even GA was bemoaning the re-seeding part this year. And no, the playoffs did not provide much of interest. The second CHC/Giman game this year came and went somewhat lost in the continuing build-up of the States.

And I'm not sure Gilman and McD will be so quick to leave.

Despite the NEVER-ENDING SUPER hype spouted over and over and over again from MR G., there is a strong [possibly growing] discontent in the Gilman alumni that is "questioning" the emphasis/focus given to the football program. [ It was the NUMBER ONE issue of concern listed in a completely non-athletic sampling of the non-denominational private schools (including all-girls schools that aren't involved with football at all)].

Someone posted a link to the 'magazine article' that was written about the non-denom. schools; and there was a post or two from Gilman alumni expressing discontent posted to that thread.

Most agree that it is Poggi (and his 'bankroll') that leads the push at Gilman, and it has happened quite often that an individuals 'support' of the high school athletics fades as their offsprings become more distanced from the school; and I don't think Biff can make it till the grandkids come along.

Even if Gilman were to leave, the MIAA will survive (a la the basketball).


I guess this just displays that it is only a small faction tat emphasizes the mythical national rankings.

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The preponderance of opinion of the area prep football scene was that the MIAA A playoffs just did not cut it. even GA was bemoaning the re-seeding part this year. And no, the playoffs did not provide much of interest. The second CHC/Giman game this year came and went somewhat lost in the continuing build-up of the States.

And I'm not sure Gilman and McD will be so quick to leave.

Despite the NEVER-ENDING SUPER hype spouted over and over and over again from MR G., there is a strong [possibly growing] discontent in the Gilman alumni that is "questioning" the emphasis/focus given to the football program. [ It was the NUMBER ONE issue of concern listed in a completely non-athletic sampling of the non-denominational private schools (including all-girls schools that aren't involved with football at all)].

Someone posted a link to the 'magazine article' that was written about the non-denom. schools; and there was a post or two from Gilman alumni expressing discontent posted to that thread.

Most agree that it is Poggi (and his 'bankroll') that leads the push at Gilman, and it has happened quite often that an individuals 'support' of the high school athletics fades as their offsprings become more distanced from the school; and I don't think Biff can make it till the grandkids come along.

Even if Gilman were to leave, the MIAA will survive (a la the basketball).


I guess this just displays that it is only a small faction tat emphasizes the mythical national rankings.

Let's not talk about things you don't know. You mention an article that was written by someone who is a parent of a younger Gilman student that interviewed two other parents, who expressed their opinions on the football program. Their was one person who wrote about his issues about Gilman and I believe he was a parent of a current or recently graduated Gilman soccer player, not an Alum. Is their some discord towards Biff and Gilman's football team, absolutely. But it's not new and as I have said before, Biff was just given a new contract by the administration! They are 100% behind Biff and the direction he is going with the program.

This is a movement that is as solely a plot or orchestrated by CHC/Loyola for the simple reason that they know they can't compete. The MIAA is officially the joke of the state. Do I think Gilman and McD are going to up and leave, no but I think they are definitely looking around. If this no playoff situation is true, I expect them to be gone in two years. No point in staying.

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Let's not talk about things you don't know. You mention an article that was written by someone who is a parent of a younger Gilman student that interviewed two other parents, who expressed their opinions on the football program. Their was one person who wrote about his issues about Gilman and I believe he was a parent of a current or recently graduated Gilman soccer player, not an Alum. Is their some discord towards Biff and Gilman's football team, absolutely. But it's not new and as I have said before, Biff was just given a new contract by the administration! They are 100% behind Biff and the direction he is going with the program.

This is a movement that is as solely a plot or orchestrated by CHC/Loyola for the simple reason that they know they can't compete. The MIAA is officially the joke of the state. Do I think Gilman and McD are going to up and leave, no but I think they are definitely looking around. If this no playoff situation is true, I expect them to be gone in two years. No point in staying.

No point in staying other than ALL the other sports and who would they play if Gilman left the MIAA?

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No point in staying other than ALL the other sports and who would they play if Gilman left the MIAA?

I'm sure they would try and work something out like Prep did for football. Play in the MIAA for all other sports and then leave for football. I just can't see Gilman and McDonogh staying and being handcuffed by the Turkey Bowl.

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I'm sure they would try and work something out like Prep did for football. Play in the MIAA for all other sports and then leave for football. I just can't see Gilman and McDonogh staying and being handcuffed by the Turkey Bowl.

They allowed GPrep to join for football,,, Do you really think if Gilman took their football and left the DIAA would say OK fine your other sports can stay given the volatile sitation?... I dont believe so.. I believe the MIAA would say if your out your out all sports .. Just my opinion

[PerryHallCoach]

Here's a novel idea follow the rules set forth by the MPSSAA and join the state playoffs. I'm from Illinois and the privates play with the publics in the playoffs. I went to a public school so my opinion is a bit biased. I roll my eyes when after 15 years of adjustment the likes of Joliet Catholic (Rudy, Mike Alstott) and Mt. Carmel (Simeon Rice, Donovan McNabb) begin to get good again and toot their horn about how many state titles they've won. They were not on a level playing field with "scholarships" and such. Once the IHSA changed the rule it became a level playing field of course they dropped off but they've made a come back. Tell me the likes of Calvert Hall, Gilman, and Good Counsel wouldn't like to call themselves state champions instead of conference champions.

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Here's a novel idea follow the rules set forth by the MPSSAA and join the state playoffs. I'm from Illinois and the privates play with the publics in the playoffs. I went to a public school so my opinion is a bit biased. I roll my eyes when after 15 years of adjustment the likes of Joliet Catholic (Rudy, Mike Alstott) and Mt. Carmel (Simeon Rice, Donovan McNabb) begin to get good again and toot their horn about how many state titles they've won. They were not on a level playing field with "scholarships" and such. Once the IHSA changed the rule it became a level playing field of course they dropped off but they've made a come back. Tell me the likes of Calvert Hall, Gilman, and Good Counsel wouldn't like to call themselves state champions instead of conference champions.

Gilman not McDonogh would ever join the State Association the way it is constituted. Too many restrictions.

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They allowed GPrep to join for football,,, Do you really think if Gilman took their football and left the DIAA would say OK fine your other sports can stay given the volo]atile situstion?... I dont believe so.. I believe the MIAA would say if your out your out all sports .. Just my opinion

I think the only thing that would hold Gilman and McD to the MIAA is lacrosse. If Gilman could get St. Paul's, Boy's Latin to leave with them and McDonogh, they would leave. And that's not a far fetched idea. Those schools are closely associated.

[prepfan]

Let's not talk about things you don't know. You mention an article that was written by someone who is a parent of a younger Gilman student that interviewed two other parents, who expressed their opinions on the football program. Their was one person who wrote about his issues about Gilman and I believe he was a parent of a current or recently graduated Gilman soccer player, not an Alum. Is their some discord towards Biff and Gilman's football team, absolutely. But it's not new and as I have said before, Biff was just given a new contract by the administration! They are 100% behind Biff and the direction he is going with the program.

This is a movement that is as solely a plot or orchestrated by CHC/Loyola for the simple reason that they know they can't compete. The MIAA is officially the joke of the state. Do I think Gilman and McD are going to up and leave, no but I think they are definitely looking around. If this no playoff situation is true, I expect them to be gone in two years. No point in staying.

hey Mouth, don't get your panties all up in a bunch and start the arrogant direct poster dissing.

"Let's not talk about things you don't know." ~ You can shove that comment as far up where the sun don't shine as your T-Rex arms will allow.

You confirmed each point in my prior post, dude. I know you're upset. Everyone on here knows you are frustrated.

You are actually the one going on and on "about things you do not know". All that "This is a movement that is as solely a plot or orchestrated by CHC/Loyola for the simple reason that they know they can't compete." and "The MIAA is officially the joke of the state." BS !

Weren't you still advocating the MIAA helped the Gilman SOS ( due to the leagues OOC record) ?

I'm stiil thinking the Poggi camp WILL fade; hopefully not before your son graduates.

The 121212 concert is much more entertainging than you are tonight. See ya.

Peace out.

[PerryHallCoach]

Gilman not McDonogh would ever join the State Association the way it is constituted. Too many restrictions.

I completely agree with you with regards to the restrictions the MPSSAA has. Those same restrictions, I feel, are the main reason that MD HS football isn't respected on a national level. If the MPSSAA were to change them I think all would benefit. Allow another week of practice in August, allow spring ball for those not playing a spring sport, allow more summer contact. Now on the flip side of that coin the privates would have to make concessions as well. There wouldn't be any free rides, tuition assistance, yes, but nothing for free. There wouldn't be anything against talking to kids because public magnets could do that now. I would love to see it but I think the two sides are far apart and probably wouldn't consider it.

[pmore108]

I completely agree with you with regards to the restrictions the MPSSAA has. Those same restrictions, I feel, are the main reason that MD HS football isn't respected on a national level. If the MPSSAA were to change them I think all would benefit. Allow another week of practice in August, allow spring ball for those not playing a spring sport, allow more summer contact. Now on the flip side of that coin the privates would have to make concessions as well. There wouldn't be any free rides, tuition assistance, yes, but nothing for free. There wouldn't be anything against talking to kids because public magnets could do that now. I would love to see it but I think the two sides are far apart and probably wouldn't consider it.

Would love to see the privates and publics play more or even the privates join the stae association but to me the biggest obstacle is the restrictions the MPSSAA puts on the schools not the privates paying a kids tuition. The privates could probably concede to no more 'redshirting' past a certain grade but that is usually a parental decision often times that happens in kindergarten. I don't know maybe equal practice time could be a start? Anyway would love to see them at least play more but that won't happen until the point system changes or is abolished.