R.I.P. MIAA "A" Conference Championship

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

No, I believe we are at opposite ends of the spectrum. You say "if the cards fall play twice a year". Again, your (Biff's) goal is to end the Turkey Bowl.

Understand, the Turkey Bowl is Calvert Hall and Loyola. It's family, tradition, friendships, rivalries and all that go with that.

The compromise is having a playoff system while keeping the Turkey Bowl as it is and has always been. If a playoff is that important and can be figured out.

Well because of this mentality and the unwillingness to compromise, the MIAA has now become the joke of the state. City-Poly had a much longer AND BETTER Turkey Bowl Tradition and because of change, had to say good bye to the game. But CHC/Loyola feels that they are better than everyone else. We will see what happens in the future. I am guessing that either CHC/Loyola agrees to have no issue with playing twice or the the MIAA being in serious jeopardy.

[eaglesinsider]

And THAT is the #1 reason Biff and his Head Cheerleader Greyhound Alum hate it.

Because it doesn't involve them.

To think -- the premier High School Football Event in Baltimore, and it doesn't involve Gilman!

Local television, professional football venue, 100 years of tradition -- and they don't get to play.

Too funny, watching GA meltdown trying to convince everyone here that he (and Gilman, which means "Biff") don't care about the Turkey Bowl.

But only because they are not a part of it.

It's known as "resentful jealousy" and everyone here sees it.

It's a pity the Biff bootlickers like GA won't admit it.

Nobody cares about the Turkey Bowl. If it didn't get in the way of the playoffs you wouldn't hear one word of complaint about it. Now to dissect your idiotic argument piece by piece.

1. It's not the most premier high school football event in Baltimore, not even close. City-Poly and McDonogh-Gilman have more history and tradition.

2. The game is only on local television because CHC/Loyola pay for the airtime. There is not some demand by Baltimore residents to see the Turkey Bowl, it is only on air because airtime is cheap at 10:30 Thanksgiving morning. If local TV was that important to McD-Gilman or City-Poly an alum could come up with $8,000 to put it on air no problem. However, those games stand on their own merit and don't need TV to over-inflate their sense of importance.

3. 100 years of tradition- not even close. City-Poly is the only game in the state with over 100 years of tradition. McDonogh-Gilman is next at 97. Calvert Hall-Loyola didn't even start playing until 1922.

4. Nobody wants to play in a 10% full professional football venue. It's not like they get to play in it for free, they rent it out. A peewee coach could rent M&T for his team if he had the money. Again it's because of the inferiority complex of their alums who feel the need to play in a 70,000 seat stadium with 8,000 fans. I remember all the talk on here about when they had to move the game to Towson in 2011 about how that would never fit the crowds. It turned out they didn't even sell out 10,000 seat Towson. If you gave me the choice as a player of playing in an over capacity John McDonogh stadium or playing in front of a near-empty M&T, I'd take the over capacity John McDonogh every time.

5. Nobody wants to play at 10:30 in the morning. Wow, talk about prime time. I need to pitch this idea to ESPN "Weekday Morning Football." I can't wait to see the Ravens-Steelers game played at 10:30 on a Tuesday morning.

The only people who care about the Turkey Bowl are CHC and Loyola alums, there just happen to be a lot more of them because they are much larger than McDonogh and Gilman and the attendance still isn't much larger than many McDonogh-Gilman games, which aren't played on a holiday when everyone is off work.

Again, if this meaningless, stupid tradition didn't get in the way of progress, I wouldn't care at all. If City-Poly moved their game to accommodate playoffs, there is no excuse for CHC-Loyola to do this other than stubbornness and the knowledge that doing so would relegate their game to third tier among Baltimore rivalry games. If the Turkey Bowl was played on the last Saturday of the regular season alongside McDonogh-Gilman and City-Poly, it would get 3rd billing in the Sun every time and the attendance would be cut in half, and the powers that be at CHC and Loyola know this. They know that Thanksgiving is the only thing that gives this third-tier rivalry game some semblance of relevance. That and bragging about it being on TV without saying it's only their because the alumni feel the need to pay for it to be there. CHC and Loyola would rather destroy the MIAA than give up Thanksgiving, and the rest of the Catholic schools that vote for whatever they say will follow them no matter where they go.

It is time for McDonogh and Gilman to leave the MIAA. I don't want to be a part of a league that kowtows to two schools while overlooking the best interests of the others. It is time to leave, and take the wealthy non-Catholic schools with us. Time to form a new league with a commissioner with some backbone and schools that all have common interests. The MIAA would become a shell of its former self without McDonogh and Gilman, Saint Paul's and Boys' Latin, Friends and Severn.

[Hallman]

And THAT is the #1 reason Biff and his Head Cheerleader Greyhound Alum hate it.

Because it doesn't involve them.

To think -- the premier High School Football Event in Baltimore, and it doesn't involve Gilman!

Local television, professional football venue, 100 years of tradition -- and they don't get to play.

Too funny, watching GA meltdown trying to convince everyone here that he (and Gilman, which means "Biff") don't care about the Turkey Bowl.

But only because they are not a part of it.


It's known as "resentful jealousy" and everyone here sees it.

It's a pity the Biff bootlickers like GA won't admit it.

Exactly!

[Hallman]

Nobody cares about the Turkey Bowl. If it didn't get in the way of the playoffs you wouldn't hear one word of complaint about it. Now to dissect your idiotic argument piece by piece.

1. It's not the most premier high school football event in Baltimore, not even close. City-Poly and McDonogh-Gilman have more history and tradition.

2. The game is only on local television because CHC/Loyola pay for the airtime. There is not some demand by Baltimore residents to see the Turkey Bowl, it is only on air because airtime is cheap at 10:30 Thanksgiving morning. If local TV was that important to McD-Gilman or City-Poly an alum could come up with $8,000 to put it on air no problem. However, those games stand on their own merit and don't need TV to over-inflate their sense of importance.

3. 100 years of tradition- not even close. City-Poly is the only game in the state with over 100 years of tradition. McDonogh-Gilman is next at 97. Calvert Hall-Loyola didn't even start playing until 1922.

4. Nobody wants to play in a 10% full professional football venue. It's not like they get to play in it for free, they rent it out. A peewee coach could rent M&T for his team if he had the money. Again it's because of the inferiority complex of their alums who feel the need to play in a 70,000 seat stadium with 8,000 fans. I remember all the talk on here about when they had to move the game to Towson in 2011 about how that would never fit the crowds. It turned out they didn't even sell out 10,000 seat Towson. If you gave me the choice as a player of playing in an over capacity John McDonogh stadium or playing in front of a near-empty M&T, I'd take the over capacity John McDonogh every time.

5. Nobody wants to play at 10:30 in the morning. Wow, talk about prime time. I need to pitch this idea to ESPN "Weekday Morning Football." I can't wait to see the Ravens-Steelers game played at 10:30 on a Tuesday morning.

The only people who care about the Turkey Bowl are CHC and Loyola alums, there just happen to be a lot more of them because they are much larger than McDonogh and Gilman and the attendance still isn't much larger than many McDonogh-Gilman games, which aren't played on a holiday when everyone is off work.

Again, if this meaningless, stupid tradition didn't get in the way of progress, I wouldn't care at all. If City-Poly moved their game to accommodate playoffs, there is no excuse for CHC-Loyola to do this other than stubbornness and the knowledge that doing so would relegate their game to third tier among Baltimore rivalry games. If the Turkey Bowl was played on the last Saturday of the regular season alongside McDonogh-Gilman and City-Poly, it would get 3rd billing in the Sun every time and the attendance would be cut in half, and the powers that be at CHC and Loyola know this. They know that Thanksgiving is the only thing that gives this third-tier rivalry game some semblance of relevance. That and bragging about it being on TV without saying it's only their because the alumni feel the need to pay for it to be there. CHC and Loyola would rather destroy the MIAA than give up Thanksgiving, and the rest of the Catholic schools that vote for whatever they say will follow them no matter where they go.

It is time for McDonogh and Gilman to leave the MIAA. I don't want to be a part of a league that kowtows to two schools while overlooking the best interests of the others. It is time to leave, and take the wealthy non-Catholic schools with us. Time to form a new league with a commissioner with some backbone and schools that all have common interests. The MIAA would become a shell of its former self without McDonogh and Gilman, Saint Paul's and Boys' Latin, Friends and Severn.

1) I do remember people talking about the City/Poly game. I never heard or hear people talk about Gilman/McDonogh. A serious non-issue.

2) the fact that Alumni put an organized effort to have the Turkey Bowl televisd is great and I and many other appreciate it. What a blast for the kids playing.

3) Older doesn't necessaryilly make it better

4) Talk to the boys playing the game. They all wanted to go back to M&T Bank Stadium to play, to run out the tunnel Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and all the other Ravens do. Again, how cool is that for the kids playing the game.

5) 10:30 game in the morning. You want to pitch that to ESPN. When the Raiders, Charges, Seahawks, etc. come east to play a 1:00 p.m. game what time do you think their fans are watching? Let me help you, 10:00 a.m.

We all know you guys don't care about the Turkey Bowl. We are reminded of that fact everytime you go on and on about how insignificant the game is and how you don't care but can't stop talking about it!

[RM7]

McDonogh and Gilman fans better check with their leaders because they we not the two schools that voted to keep the playoffs.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Nobody cares about the Turkey Bowl. If it didn't get in the way of the playoffs you wouldn't hear one word of complaint about it. Now to dissect your idiotic argument piece by piece.

1. It's not the most premier high school football event in Baltimore, not even close. City-Poly and McDonogh-Gilman have more history and tradition.

2. The game is only on local television because CHC/Loyola pay for the airtime. There is not some demand by Baltimore residents to see the Turkey Bowl, it is only on air because airtime is cheap at 10:30 Thanksgiving morning. If local TV was that important to McD-Gilman or City-Poly an alum could come up with $8,000 to put it on air no problem. However, those games stand on their own merit and don't need TV to over-inflate their sense of importance.

3. 100 years of tradition- not even close. City-Poly is the only game in the state with over 100 years of tradition. McDonogh-Gilman is next at 97. Calvert Hall-Loyola didn't even start playing until 1922.

4. Nobody wants to play in a 10% full professional football venue. It's not like they get to play in it for free, they rent it out. A peewee coach could rent M&T for his team if he had the money. Again it's because of the inferiority complex of their alums who feel the need to play in a 70,000 seat stadium with 8,000 fans. I remember all the talk on here about when they had to move the game to Towson in 2011 about how that would never fit the crowds. It turned out they didn't even sell out 10,000 seat Towson. If you gave me the choice as a player of playing in an over capacity John McDonogh stadium or playing in front of a near-empty M&T, I'd take the over capacity John McDonogh every time.

5. Nobody wants to play at 10:30 in the morning. Wow, talk about prime time. I need to pitch this idea to ESPN "Weekday Morning Football." I can't wait to see the Ravens-Steelers game played at 10:30 on a Tuesday morning.

The only people who care about the Turkey Bowl are CHC and Loyola alums, there just happen to be a lot more of them because they are much larger than McDonogh and Gilman and the attendance still isn't much larger than many McDonogh-Gilman games, which aren't played on a holiday when everyone is off work.

Again, if this meaningless, stupid tradition didn't get in the way of progress, I wouldn't care at all. If City-Poly moved their game to accommodate playoffs, there is no excuse for CHC-Loyola to do this other than stubbornness and the knowledge that doing so would relegate their game to third tier among Baltimore rivalry games. If the Turkey Bowl was played on the last Saturday of the regular season alongside McDonogh-Gilman and City-Poly, it would get 3rd billing in the Sun every time and the attendance would be cut in half, and the powers that be at CHC and Loyola know this. They know that Thanksgiving is the only thing that gives this third-tier rivalry game some semblance of relevance. That and bragging about it being on TV without saying it's only their because the alumni feel the need to pay for it to be there. CHC and Loyola would rather destroy the MIAA than give up Thanksgiving, and the rest of the Catholic schools that vote for whatever they say will follow them no matter where they go.

It is time for McDonogh and Gilman to leave the MIAA. I don't want to be a part of a league that kowtows to two schools while overlooking the best interests of the others. It is time to leave, and take the wealthy non-Catholic schools with us. Time to form a new league with a commissioner with some backbone and schools that all have common interests. The MIAA would become a shell of its former self without McDonogh and Gilman, Saint Paul's and Boys' Latin, Friends and Severn.

I couldn't have said it any better. Only reason the Turkey Bowl is even mentioned is because of its effect on the league's progress. In high school when the REAL Turkey Bowl was still around, I never even actually knew that it was even called the Turkey Bowl. That's how much of an exhibition game it was for the City-Poly game. And I went to the City-Poly game all 4 years of high school.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

McDonogh and Gilman fans better check with their leaders because they we not the two schools that voted to keep the playoffs.

Gilman and McDonogh were the schools that wanted the playoffs changed were every school would play each other based on the seeding's. Meaning that if CHC and Loyola records suggested that they play in the playoffs that there would be no re-seeding because of them. They felt it was unfair that McDonogh had to play Gilman this year because of the Turkey Bowl. When this was thrown off the table, they voted to abolish the playoffs altogether. The only schools that wanted to keep the playoffs as is and voted so was Spalding and MSJ.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

1) I do remember people talking about the City/Poly game. I never heard or hear people talk about Gilman/McDonogh. A serious non-issue.

2) the fact that Alumni put an organized effort to have the Turkey Bowl televisd is great and I and many other appreciate it. What a blast for the kids playing.

3) Older doesn't necessaryilly make it better

4) Talk to the boys playing the game. They all wanted to go back to M&T Bank Stadium to play, to run out the tunnel Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and all the other Ravens do. Again, how cool is that for the kids playing the game.

5) 10:30 game in the morning. You want to pitch that to ESPN. When the Raiders, Charges, Seahawks, etc. come east to play a 1:00 p.m. game what time do you think their fans are watching? Let me help you, 10:00 a.m.

We all know you guys don't care about the Turkey Bowl. We are reminded of that fact everytime you go on and on about how insignificant the game is and how you don't care but can't stop talking about it!

I promise you if you polled every team in the MIAA, that all of them would vote for a playoffs and I would say that CHC-Loyola players wouldn't care about playing twice. As the Gilman/McDonogh players didn't this year.

[Hallman]

I promise you if you polled every team in the MIAA, that all of them would vote for a playoffs and I would say that CHC-Loyola players wouldn't care about playing twice. As the Gilman/McDonogh players didn't this year.

Not to be disrespectful but that's because the Gilman/McDonogh game is not the Event that the Calvert Hall/Loyola game is.

[eaglesinsider]

Not to be disrespectful but that's because the Gilman/McDonogh game is not the Event that the Calvert Hall/Loyola game is.

You are so full of yourself it's not even funny. That is the problem with everyone involved with CHC/Loyola. You can't see that you are destroying this league. It won't be so funny when we're gone you're playing in a league with Saint John's Catholic Prep and Saint Vincent Pallotti. Have fun attending games at McCurdy Field and selling that to recruits.

[prepfan]

Gilman and McDonogh was the schools that wanted the playoffs changed were every school would play each other based on the seeding's. Meaning that if CHC and Loyola records suggested that they play in the playoffs that there would be no re-seeding because of them. They felt it was unfair that McDonogh had to play Gilman this year because of the Turkey Bowl. When this was thrown off the table, they voted to abolish the playoffs altogether. The only schools that wanted to keep the playoffs as is and voted so was Spalding and MSJ.

You mean the whole 4-2 vote, the whole origin of this tread, wasn't the result of a Loyola/Calvert Hall using the new SFA entry to strongarm a Catholics vs. poor McDonogh/Gilman. What a waste of two pages of posts . Of course, there's also that wasted space spent on "LOY and CHC are scared".

Playoffs in a six team league that play each other round robin are the joke. Mathmatically, you're always going to end up with a .500 team at best in the lowest seed (likely there will be a sub.500).

A championship game is doable.

And that championship game could easily be scheduled the weekf after the Turkey Bowl [which by the way didn't start being called that until it was the onl game on Thanksgiving (hence "Turkey") ~ it was always just "Loyola/Calvert Hall" and "City/Poly" in the "good old days" ].

And a couple of other things:

The MIAA was indeed held in high esteem when it did not have playoffs. It even helped build that Gilman's touted SOS ! (5th / 7th highest ranked conference and blah, blah, blah).

Really shouldn't put McDonogh alongside of Gilman in this sort of talk. They are not on par in anyway. How many times have they beaten both Loyola and Calvert Hall in the same season ?


But, hey, this is entertaining. I am really waiting for GA's direct response to Jeebus. I sure hoe he doesn't let Insider speak for him.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

You mean the whole 4-2 vote, the whole origin of this tread, wasn't the result of a Loyola/Calvert Hall using the new SFA entry to strongarm a Catholics vs. poor McDonogh/Gilman. What a waste of two pages of posts . Of course, there's also that wasted space spent on "LOY and CHC are scared".

Playoffs in a six team league that play each other round robin are the joke. Mathmatically, you're always going to end up with a .500 team at best in the lowest seed (likely there will be a sub.500).

A championship game is doable.

And that championship game could easily be scheduled the weekf after the Turkey Bowl [which by the way didn't start being called that until it was the onl game on Thanksgiving (hence "Turkey") ~ it was always just "Loyola/Calvert Hall" and "City/Poly" in the "good old days" ].

And a couple of other things:

The MIAA was indeed held in high esteem when it did not have playoffs. It even helped build that Gilman's touted SOS ! (5th / 7th highest ranked conference and blah, blah, blah).

Really shouldn't put McDonogh alongside of Gilman in this sort of talk. They are not on par in anyway. How many times have they beaten both Loyola and Calvert Hall in the same season ?


But, hey, this is entertaining. I am really waiting for GA's direct response to Jeebus. I sure hoe he doesn't let Insider speak for him.

First off the vote was 5-2, so that's a seven team league. St. Frances is now in the A. The point isn't what happen BEFORE, before many things happen. Once you start a playoff, you don't go back to no playoffs.

I would say that McDonogh has beaten CHC and Loyola in the same year more times than CHC has beaten McDonogh and Loyola in the same year.

[prepfan]

First off the vote was 5-2, so that's a seven team league. St. Frances is now in the A. The point isn't what happen BEFORE, before many things happen. Once you start a playoff, you don't go back to no playoffs.

I would say that McDonogh has beaten CHC and Loyola in the same year more times than CHC has beaten McDonogh and Loyola in the same year.

Oh, I was wrong. 5-2; seven team league. [See how easy it is to do that; admit one is wrong - maybe you could try it some time ]

Or you could continue in true GA style and RANT on about how that doesn't negate the BS waste of pages about a "strong arm" effort, nor the chances of a .500 team in the playoffs.

Whatever.

And to be honest, sir, I am not interested, intellectually, in what YOU "would say" - especially if you're defending Gilman on par with Mcdonogh in describe the caste system of MIAA-A.

As you should be aware, I, and many others, read your posts for the entertainment value only.

Please respond to Jeebus' morning (7.28) post. I consider that to be this sitcom's season ender.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Oh, I was wrong. 5-2; seven team league. [See how easy it is to do that; admit one is wrong - maybe you could try it some time ]

Or you could continue in true GA style and RANT on about how that doesn't negate the BS waste of pages about a "strong arm" effort, nor the chances of a .500 team in the playoffs.

Whatever.

And to be honest, sir, I am not interested, intellectually, in what YOU "would say" - especially if you're defending Gilman on par with Mcdonogh in describe the caste system of MIAA-A.

As you should be aware, I, and many others, read your posts for the entertainment value only.

Please respond to Jeebus' morning (7.28) post. I consider that to be this sitcom's season ender.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that Gilman isn't on lat with McDonogh is relations to what?

I don't know anything about any Jeebus, that person is on ignore to me. Haven't responded to him in ages and don't plan to start now. In fact, I rarely even read his posts anymore.

[RM7]

Just thought it was interesting when this thread started everyone assumed it was Gilman and McDonough that voted for the playoffs and all the catholic schools were ganging up them. Then all the bashing came about the other catholic schools for following CHC/Loyola. Comments like no backbone, lapdogs, promise Gilman and McDonough voted for the playoffs and just flat out blasting the other schools with no real information.

[prepfan]

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that Gilman isn't on lat with McDonogh is relations to what?

I don't know anything about any Jeebus, that person is on ignore to me. Haven't responded to him in ages and don't plan to start now. In fact, I rarely even read his posts anymore.

Boy, your posting by phone is quite horrible. ("Gilman isn't on lat with McDonogh is relations to what"). Perhaps, you should employ the equally annoying 'auto-correct).

Talk about the MIAA being nothing when Gilman and McDonogh leave is a joke. If McDonogh left the MIAA alone, I don't think anyone would blink an eye; though it would be intersting to see if Gilman played McDonogh if they weren't in the same league (you know uphold that "tradition").

I'm sure you have seen the Jeebus' post I am referring to (it was quoted by Hallman and you read his posts, but I can understand your reluctance to respond to him; even when you are directly referenced in the post. As far as on this board, he is certainl your Daddy. It is best you just stay away slyly. Too bad. Would have been a good season-ending episode.

[Jeebus]

I'm not sure what you're saying. Are you saying that Gilman isn't on lat with McDonogh is relations to what?

I don't know anything about any Jeebus, that person is on ignore to me. Haven't responded to him in ages and don't plan to start now. In fact, I rarely even read his posts anymore.

Just keep licking Biff's boots like a good Gilman greyhound, we'll keep laughing at you and you vainly waive your Gilman hat in your Gilman jacket while you stay at home on Thanksgiving morning wishing you were in the stands at M&T Bank Stadium.

Now go back and check with Biff and make sure he has approved the delusional rants you post.

Your insane attraction to a high school game, and the stranglehold it has on your life, would be even funnier if it weren't so sad.

But is still hilarious to witness.

[prepfan]

Just keep licking Biff's boots like a good Gilman greyhound, we'll keep laughing at you and you vainly waive your Gilman hat in your Gilman jacket while you stay at home on Thanksgiving morning wishing you were in the stands at M&T Bank Stadium.

Now go back and check with Biff and make sure he has approved the delusional rants you post.

Your insane attraction to a high school game, and the stranglehold it has on your life, would be even funnier if it weren't so sad.

But is still hilarious to witness.

"cc-ed"

[ShoNuff]

I think it's time for a split. They now have enough teams with SFA moving up to have a BCL for the catholic schools, and the private like McD, Gil, StP, etc should stay MIAA in one conference. I think the only thing standing in the way of this is Biff's overzealous approach to HS football, and the others schools (Friends, StP, Severn, etc) don't want to have to commit that much to one sport. Gilman can play their tough non league schedule and then win the league like they're doing now. This also links schools with similar admission standards to maintain comp.

[Sizzle]

Gilman and McDonogh were the schools that wanted the playoffs changed were every school would play each other based on the seeding's. Meaning that if CHC and Loyola records suggested that they play in the playoffs that there would be no re-seeding because of them. They felt it was unfair that McDonogh had to play Gilman this year because of the Turkey Bowl. When this was thrown off the table, they voted to abolish the playoffs altogether. The only schools that wanted to keep the playoffs as is and voted so was Spalding and MSJ.

Late to the game again, Spalding and MSJ voted yes.

So if MCD and Gilman voted yes that equals 4 votes


4-3 victory to keep the playoffs

Why would Gilman not want a playoff?