R.I.P. MIAA "A" Conference Championship

[Irish Way]

I asked this question a couple of weeks ago, and never got an answer, so what the hell, I'll ask again:
If the MIAA is comprised of programs significantly below Gilman (Loyola, MSJ, Spalding, St. Frances) and programs several notches below Gilman (CHC and McDonogh), why would Gilman want to play MORE GAMES against these teams?

If the MIAA has Playoffs, that means Gilman is committed to 8 MIAA games (regular season + playoffs), and only 3 or 4 out-of-conference games. Wouldn't Gilman be better served by playing just 6 games against the inferior opponents of the MIAA, and then 5 or 6 games against the national/regional powers? Wouldn't more out-of-conference games be better for the Hounds?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Late to the game again, Spalding and MSJ voted yes.

So if MCD and Gilman voted yes that equals 4 votes


4-3 victory to keep the playoffs

Why would Gilman not want a playoff?

McDonogh was upset about the playoff situation from this year. They felt they were given a bad hand with the fact that they had to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year. Biff and Dom called for a re-vote on the way the playoffs were done. The Turkey Bowl people were adamant that they would not play twice a year, so Gilman and McDonogh didn't feel that it was fair to have playoffs that way. So they voted against it.

Now I understand the mentality and I said before the Gilman-McDonogh game and afterwards that it wasn't right. But I COMPLETELY disagree with not having a playoffs. I don't even give a shiit if it were 2 teams. Right now, it should always be a playoff. I'm not like a CHC supporter(and I'm saying CHC because I don't even know if Loyola has supporters anymore), I say it how I feel. This whole thing is BS. FYI, I know that Donald and the staff wants a playoff. So I'm not putting any of this on them. This is the older alumni that is handcuffing the league.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

I asked this question a couple of weeks ago, and never got an answer, so what the hell, I'll ask again:
If the MIAA is comprised of programs significantly below Gilman (Loyola, MSJ, Spalding, St. Frances) and programs several notches below Gilman (CHC and McDonogh), why would Gilman want to play MORE GAMES against these teams?

If the MIAA has Playoffs, that means Gilman is committed to 8 MIAA games (regular season + playoffs), and only 3 or 4 out-of-conference games. Wouldn't Gilman be better served by playing just 6 games against the inferior opponents of the MIAA, and then 5 or 6 games against the national/regional powers? Wouldn't more out-of-conference games be better for the Hounds?

It's called loyalty! Gilman definitely wants to play in the MIAA. Gilman wants CHC and Loyola to play in the Turkey Bowl. That has NEVER been the issue. The issue is, changing with the times. Hell I never wanted the MSA to disband. I think most people didn't. But the City schools felt that it was best for them. What's best for the MIAA is a playoffs. There is NO MAJOR LEAGUE IN THE STATE OR COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYOFF! Sorry! And for two schools and ONE GAME to hold a whole league hostage from progress is absolutely MIND BOGGLING!

[prepfan]

McDonogh was upset about the playoff situation from this year. They felt they were given a bad hand with the fact that they had to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year. Biff and Dom called for a re-vote on the way the playoffs were done. The Turkey Bowl people were adamant that they would not play twice a year, so Gilman and McDonogh didn't feel that it was fair to have playoffs that way. So they voted against it.

Now I understand the mentality and I said before the Gilman-McDonogh game and afterwards that it wasn't right. But I COMPLETELY disagree with not having a playoffs. I don't even give a shiit if it were 2 teams. Right now, it should always be a playoff. I'm not like a CHC supporter(and I'm saying CHC because I don't even know if Loyola has supporters anymore), I say it how I feel. This whole thing is BS. FYI, I know that Donald and the staff wants a playoff. So I'm not putting any of this on them. This is the older alumni that is handcuffing the league.

Is that what happened ? You sound quite certain. But I don't see it.


#1 Seed- Gilman (1st Round Bye)
#2 Seed- Calvert Hall (1st Round Bye)
#3 Archbishop Spalding vs. #6 Mount St. Joseph (Quarterfinal- Friday 7 pm)
#4 Loyola vs. #5 McDonogh (Quarterfinal- Saturday Afternoon)
Gilman faces Loyola/McDonogh winner in the Semis
Calvert Hall faces Spalding/MSJ winner in the Semis

I thought Gilman would play the lowest seed that wins next weekend, unless it would pit Calvert Hall vs Loyola.

You're right, I forgot they were re-seeding it after the quarter-finals.
If #3 Spalding and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays MSJ
If #3 Spalding and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays McDonogh, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays MSJ, CHC plays McDonogh

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

[QUOTE=prepfan;8237206]Is that what happened ? You sound quite certain. But I don't see it.


#1 Seed- Gilman (1st Round Bye)
#2 Seed- Calvert Hall (1st Round Bye)
#3 Archbishop Spalding vs. #6 Mount St. Joseph (Quarterfinal- Friday 7 pm)
#4 Loyola vs. #5 McDonogh (Quarterfinal- Saturday Afternoon)
Gilman faces Loyola/McDonogh winner in the Semis
Calvert Hall faces Spalding/MSJ winner in the Semis

I thought Gilman would play the lowest seed that wins next weekend, unless it would pit Calvert Hall vs Loyola.

You're right, I forgot they were re-seeding it after the quarter-finals.
If #3 Spalding and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays MSJ
If #3 Spalding and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays McDonogh, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays MSJ, CHC plays McDonogh

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??

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You're not very bright are you? MSJ and McDonogh DID WIN! And Gilman played McDonogh! And most playoffs are re-seeded. It was set up that no matter what, CHC and Loyola wouldn't play.

[prepfan]

[quote=GREYHOUND ALUM;8237212]

Is that what happened ? You sound quite certain. But I don't see it.


#1 Seed- Gilman (1st Round Bye)
#2 Seed- Calvert Hall (1st Round Bye)
#3 Archbishop Spalding vs. #6 Mount St. Joseph (Quarterfinal- Friday 7 pm)
#4 Loyola vs. #5 McDonogh (Quarterfinal- Saturday Afternoon)
Gilman faces Loyola/McDonogh winner in the Semis
Calvert Hall faces Spalding/MSJ winner in the Semis

I thought Gilman would play the lowest seed that wins next weekend, unless it would pit Calvert Hall vs Loyola.

You're right, I forgot they were re-seeding it after the quarter-finals.
If #3 Spalding and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays MSJ
If #3 Spalding and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays McDonogh, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays MSJ, CHC plays McDonogh

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??

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You're not very bright are you? MSJ and McDonogh DID WIN! And Gilman played McDonogh! And most playoffs are re-seeded. It was set up that no matter what, CHC and Loyola wouldn't play.

Exucse me ? The #1 seed played the lower seed. That's the way it usually goes. The only time it would have not, would have been if MSJ and Loyola had one. Then #1 would have played #4, and #2 would have played #6. [#5 MCD did not figure into AT ALL.]

Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM http://talk.baltimoresun.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
McDonogh was upset about the playoff situation from this year. They felt they were given a bad hand with the fact that they had to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year.

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??



I admit I am not as bright as you. Can you tell me: At what point did McDonogh get upset ? In the first round ? Second round ? Where were they given a bad hand ? In the first round ? Second round ?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Is that what happened ? You sound quite certain. But I don't see it.


#1 Seed- Gilman (1st Round Bye)
#2 Seed- Calvert Hall (1st Round Bye)
#3 Archbishop Spalding vs. #6 Mount St. Joseph (Quarterfinal- Friday 7 pm)
#4 Loyola vs. #5 McDonogh (Quarterfinal- Saturday Afternoon)
Gilman faces Loyola/McDonogh winner in the Semis
Calvert Hall faces Spalding/MSJ winner in the Semis

I thought Gilman would play the lowest seed that wins next weekend, unless it would pit Calvert Hall vs Loyola.

You're right, I forgot they were re-seeding it after the quarter-finals.
If #3 Spalding and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #4 Loyola win: Gilman plays Loyola, CHC plays MSJ
If #3 Spalding and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays McDonogh, CHC plays Spalding
If #6 MSJ and #5 McDonogh win: Gilman plays MSJ, CHC plays McDonogh

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??

[QUOTE=prepfan;8237238]

Exucse me ? The #1 seed played the lower seed. That's the way it usually goes. The only time it would have not, would have been if MSJ and Loyola had one. Then #1 would have played #4, and #2 would have played #6. [#5 MCD did not figure into AT ALL.]

Originally Posted by GREYHOUND ALUM http://talk.baltimoresun.com/images/...s/viewpost.gif
McDonogh was upset about the playoff situation from this year. They felt they were given a bad hand with the fact that they had to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year.

At what point, this year, did MCD have "to play Gilman because of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play twice a year." ??



I admit I am not as bright as you. Can you tell me: At what point did McDonogh get upset ? In the first round ? Second round ? Where were they given a bad hand ? In the first round ? Second round ?

You still don't get it, It was seeded the way it was seeded BECAUSE of the fact that CHC and Loyola wouldn't play before the Turkey Bowl. Loyola and CHC played one less league game than the rest of the league. The seeds were made that way where Gilman would play the winner of that game no matter what. Are you following me yet? Like I said, not very bright. I think you should probably just move on from this topic!

[TheGuru]

It's called loyalty! Gilman definitely wants to play in the MIAA. Gilman wants CHC and Loyola to play in the Turkey Bowl. That has NEVER been the issue. The issue is, changing with the times. Hell I never wanted the MSA to disband. I think most people didn't. But the City schools felt that it was best for them. What's best for the MIAA is a playoffs. There is NO MAJOR LEAGUE IN THE STATE OR COUNTRY THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PLAYOFF! Sorry! And for two schools and ONE GAME to hold a whole league hostage from progress is absolutely MIND BOGGLING!

If I'm not mistaken, it was you who happily predicted the demise of the Turkey Bowl when this stupid playoff was instituted two years ago. You also stated your preference that Gilman leave the MIAA to pursue an independent "national" schedule. Why the change of heart?

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

If I'm not mistaken, it was you who happily predicted the demise of the Turkey Bowl when this stupid playoff was instituted two years ago. You also stated your preference that Gilman leave the MIAA to pursue an independent "national" schedule. Why the change of heart?

I never said that I wanted Gilman to EVER play an independent schedule. I always wanted CHC and Loyola to leave the MIAA. Independent schedules aren't a good thing. I have always asked the question, what top National program plays an independent schedule, none.

Like what Insider said, because of these 2 schools and this game, schools are going to leave. CHC/Loyola will be playing in a no nothing league but guess what, they will still have their Turkey Bowl. Lets see how easy it is to get kids to come to the schools then!

[eaglesinsider]

Prepfan, here is what happened in the playoffs:

#1 Gilman- BYE
#2 CHC- BYE
#6 MSJ d. #3 Spalding
#5 McDonogh d. #4 Loyola

If the tournament was seeded as all playoffs that don't kowtow to Loyola and CHC are seeded, #1 Gilman would have gotten #6 MSJ (the lowest remaining seed) and #2 CHC would have gotten #5 McDonogh (highest remaining seed)

Because of the spineless MIAA, the playoffs were seeded so that Gilman, although they earned the #1 seed, would have to play the Loyola/McD winner so that CHC and Loyola could avoid playing twice a season. By rights McDonogh would have played (and most likely beaten) CHC and played Gilman for the MIAA Championship.

This league of no backbone scheduled its entire postseason around the whims of 2 schools. The MIAA is poking a sleeping giant in McDonogh. If McDonogh becomes as angry at the MIAA as Gilman is, which will happen soon at this rate, you can expect things to happen and happen quickly. There may not be two schools in the country with as many resources to bring to bear, financial and otherwise, as McDonogh and Gilman.

[Big Sky]

Prepfan, here is what happened in the playoffs:

#1 Gilman- BYE
#2 CHC- BYE
#6 MSJ d. #3 Spalding
#5 McDonogh d. #4 Loyola

If the tournament was seeded as all playoffs that don't kowtow to Loyola and CHC are seeded, #1 Gilman would have gotten #6 MSJ (the lowest remaining seed) and #2 CHC would have gotten #5 McDonogh (highest remaining seed)

Because of the spineless MIAA, the playoffs were seeded so that Gilman, although they earned the #1 seed, would have to play the Loyola/McD winner so that CHC and Loyola could avoid playing twice a season. By rights McDonogh would have played (and most likely beaten) CHC and played Gilman for the MIAA Championship.

This league of no backbone scheduled its entire postseason around the whims of 2 schools. The MIAA is poking a sleeping giant in McDonogh. If McDonogh becomes as angry at the MIAA as Gilman is, which will happen soon at this rate, you can expect things to happen and happen quickly. There may not be two schools in the country with as many resources to bring to bear, financial and otherwise, as McDonogh and Gilman.

Get a grip. McDonogh a sleeping Giant. LOL I for one liked the playoffs, Change was made. Quit pointing fingers and crying like brats. It does not matter who's game is most important. To the Hall and Dons the turkey bowl is a special Day. A chance to see a game, be reunited with classmates from your past, and in some cases former teammates,Coaches and teachers.It is like having a reunion every year. Brings back memory's and makes people in many ways feel young again. When my family were debating what school to send my Son, A friend told me that CHC had a turkey bowl and my son and I could go to that game every year together. That was exciting to me,and was a part to our decision. The MIAA schools could get around The TB as well as the fact Gilman does not want to cut into there Winter sports. How about starting the season 1 week earlier? Bottom line is the turkey bowl may not have had that much to do with the end of the play offs. If I had to guess, there were other reasons as well. Maybe they do not want to get in a (ARMS RACE) IN FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS. The reason why public Schools have 1A thru 4A is to try to keep the playing field level. The MIAA or any other private league should also Have rules to keep their league on a level playing field. What makes great leagues at any level is competitive games, Blow outs and miss matches soon grow sour, and destroys leagues. Football is not about the best team money can buy. There is a reason why the Pros have a salary cap, the divisions in College all have scholarship caps. WHY? Because in the end it destroys the game.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Get a grip. McDonogh a sleeping Giant. LOL I for one liked the playoffs, Change was made. Quit pointing fingers and crying like brats. It does not matter who's game is most important. To the Hall and Dons the turkey bowl is a special Day. A chance to see a game, be reunited with classmates from your past, and in some cases former teammates,Coaches and teachers.It is like having a reunion every year. Brings back memory's and makes people in many ways feel young again. When my family were debating what school to send my Son, A friend told me that CHC had a turkey bowl and my son and I could go to that game every year together. That was exciting to me,and was a part to our decision. The MIAA schools could get around The TB as well as the fact Gilman does not want to cut into there Winter sports. How about starting the season 1 week earlier? Bottom line is the turkey bowl may not have had that much to do with the end of the play offs. If I had to guess, there were other reasons as well. Maybe they do not want to get in a (ARMS RACE) IN FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS. The reason why public Schools have 1A thru 4A is to try to keep the playing field level. The MIAA or any other private league should also Have rules to keep their league on a level playing field. What makes great leagues at any level is competitive games, Blow outs and miss matches soon grow sour, and destroys leagues. Football is not about the best team money can buy. There is a reason why the Pros have a salary cap, the divisions in College all have scholarship caps. WHY? Because in the end it destroys the game.

This makes no sense. It's called PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Meaning the schools can do whatever they want with THEIR MONEY. Are there rules in place on who any of the MIAA schools can admit into their school? NO. Just like there shouldn't be rules on what Gilman or any other school can do with money in regards to sports. Sorry, Gilman and McDonogh have more money than the other schools. It's life, life isn't fair.

The end of the playoffs has EVERYTHING to do with the Turkey Bowl. The re-vote was spearheaded by Biff. So had Nothing to do with an uneven playing field. Gilman is doing the same as everybody else, they just do it better. Parents and kids want to come to the school. Just has so much to offer. And the dominance that they hold over the area is making kids want to keep coming. And they are coming from miles away. The gap will continue to widen. But it won't matter either way because the MIAA title means nothing now. It's all about the OOC conference schedule.

[Big Sky]

This makes no sense. It's called PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Meaning the schools can do whatever they want with THEIR MONEY. Are there rules in place on who any of the MIAA schools can admit into their school? NO. Just like there shouldn't be rules on what Gilman or any other school can do with money in regards to sports. Sorry, Gilman and McDonogh have more money than the other schools. It's life, life isn't fair.

The end of the playoffs has EVERYTHING to do with the Turkey Bowl. The re-vote was spearheaded by Biff. So had Nothing to do with an uneven playing field. Gilman is doing the same as everybody else, they just do it better. Parents and kids want to come to the school. Just has so much to offer. And the dominance that they hold over the area is making kids want to keep coming. And they are coming from miles away. The gap will continue to widen. But it won't matter either way because the MIAA title means nothing now. It's all about the OOC conference schedule.

You Have lost It. Private School are not about Football, They are about Education,Character,Conduct,Faith, and Purpose. Next there are only 2 teams that play in the Turkey Bowl, the vote was 5-2. If as you say the other schools follow CHC and the Dons, then what you are really saying is how irrelevant Gilman and McDonogh are in the minds of there peers???. Which I do not believe.Yes there are rules in the MIAA on who schools can admit.(No seniors) To be Frank about it all. I think Biff is a great Coach and ambassador for Gilman. When you spout off before you think you make Your Alma Matter look very Bad, because most people think all Gilman people have the same as your thoughts. In the big picture of life it is just a game. Nothing more or less.

[TheGuru]

I never said that I wanted Gilman to EVER play an independent schedule. I always wanted CHC and Loyola to leave the MIAA. Independent schedules aren't a good thing. I have always asked the question, what top National program plays an independent schedule, none.

Like what Insider said, because of these 2 schools and this game, schools are going to leave. CHC/Loyola will be playing in a no nothing league but guess what, they will still have their Turkey Bowl. Lets see how easy it is to get kids to come to the schools then!

In post#12 of this thread you said it was time for Gilman & McDonogh to leave the MIAA. Unless the WCAC accepted Gilman & McDonogh, the two schools would probably have to play an independent schedule initially.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Get a grip. McDonogh a sleeping Giant. LOL I for one liked the playoffs, Change was made. Quit pointing fingers and crying like brats. It does not matter who's game is most important. To the Hall and Dons the turkey bowl is a special Day. A chance to see a game, be reunited with classmates from your past, and in some cases former teammates,Coaches and teachers.It is like having a reunion every year. Brings back memory's and makes people in many ways feel young again. When my family were debating what school to send my Son, A friend told me that CHC had a turkey bowl and my son and I could go to that game every year together. That was exciting to me,and was a part to our decision. The MIAA schools could get around The TB as well as the fact Gilman does not want to cut into there Winter sports. How about starting the season 1 week earlier? Bottom line is the turkey bowl may not have had that much to do with the end of the play offs. If I had to guess, there were other reasons as well. Maybe they do not want to get in a (ARMS RACE) IN FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS. The reason why public Schools have 1A thru 4A is to try to keep the playing field level. The MIAA or any other private league should also Have rules to keep their league on a level playing field. What makes great leagues at any level is competitive games, Blow outs and miss matches soon grow sour, and destroys leagues. Football is not about the best team money can buy. There is a reason why the Pros have a salary cap, the divisions in College all have scholarship caps. WHY? Because in the end it destroys the game.

You Have lost It. Private School are not about Football, They are about Education,Character,Conduct,Faith, and Purpose. Next there are only 2 teams that play in the Turkey Bowl, the vote was 5-2. If as you say the other schools follow CHC and the Dons, then what you are really saying is how irrelevant Gilman and McDonogh are in the minds of there peers???. Which I do not believe.Yes there are rules in the MIAA on who schools can admit.(No seniors) To be Frank about it all. I think Biff is a great Coach and ambassador for Gilman. When you spout off before you think you make Your Alma Matter look very Bad, because most people think all Gilman people have the same as your thoughts. In the big picture of life it is just a game. Nothing more or less.

Senior transfers to play athletics is one thing but schools can admit whoever they like. Schools can use their money however they like. The MIAA can not judge what a school does with their finances. This isn't me spouting anything, these are called FACTS! I would say that this mentality of privates being able to do what they like with their money is the mentality of most Private school Alumnus and administration.

Yes football is just a game, we all know this. But you would be fooling yourself if you don't think that it's not also a business nowadays. If it was ONLY a game then there would be no need for combines, camps, Next Level Nation, etc.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

In post#12 of this thread you said it was time for Gilman & McDonogh to leave the MIAA. Unless the WCAC accepted Gilman & McDonogh, the two schools would probably have to play an independent schedule initially.

Yes I want them to leave but not play independent. Neither team would leave without a plan.

[Outside Looking In]

GA just broke the 8600 post mark. Hip Hip Hooray. Clown.

8600 posts / 5 years of posting = 1720 posts per year. WOW!

[fylde5]

It's called PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Meaning the schools can do whatever they want with THEIR MONEY. Are there rules in place on who any of the MIAA schools can admit into their school? NO. Just like there shouldn't be rules on what Gilman or any other school can do with money in regards to sports. Sorry, Gilman and McDonogh have more money than the other schools. It's life, life isn't fair.

Wow, your statement says it all! You have absolutely no clue as to the foundation of the MIAA or the MSA before it. "There should be NO rules" Wow is all I can say. Every conference on every level has rules and guidlines that all members must abide by, even the pros, but not the almighty Gilman. You are a small minded little man GA and I know your views don't reflect the majority of older Gilman supporters I call friends.

By the way, your comment "It's life, life isn't fair" is true and you are learning that now, you are free to take your ball and leave.

[GREYHOUND ALUM]

Wow, your statement says it all! You have absolutely no clue as to the foundation of the MIAA or the MSA before it. "There should be NO rules" Wow is all I can say. Every conference on every level has rules and guidlines that all members must abide by, even the pros, but not the almighty Gilman. You are a small minded little man GA and I know your views don't reflect the majority of older Gilman supporters I call friends.

By the way, your comment "It's life, life isn't fair" is true and you are learning that now, you are free to take your ball and leave.

You mean the same older Gilman friends that hate the fact that the school has gotten a little more "browner" and don't want to come out and say it? I have those "friends" as well.

The MIAA HAS RULES! Biff and Gilman aren't breaking any of them. What right does the MIAA have to come into to Gilman's development office and tell them how they can disperse their financial aid? Are serious? The dumbest thing I have ever heard!

[fylde5]

You mean the same older Gilman friends that hate the fact that the school has gotten a little more "browner" and don't want to come out and say it? I have those "friends" as well.

Oh how perfect GA, prove how small you are by throwing out the race card. I am sure you would have no problem saying this to their face. These alumni are no different than the ones at Loyola that donate and fund the scholarships for these "browner" students. We also pushed to get Brant Hall the job at Loyola. He was the perfect choice because he was talented, passionate, and because of his race could better identify with black atheletes to get MORE not less into the school.

The only thing as bad as a racist (and I know there are some at all of these schools) is someone that punks out and throws the race card because they have no valid argument. You are a joke.