What is it with the Ravens and quarterbacks?

[tigercruise]

This has been around for a long time. Starting of course with the infamous dumping of a Super Bowl winning quarterback Trent Dilfer. Yea we know the Ravens went five games without a TD that year but with a stupendous defense, won the SB. And, most of us agreed that getting rid of Dilfer for Elvis sounded like a good idea. But Elvis – who never really entered the building and quickly left the building – was a complete failure.

And then they played around a bit with Cunningham and we can’t forget Chris Redman and Blake but then enters one Kyle Boller. Billick was so impressed with Boller, the guy who could sit at mid-field and throw the ball into a trash can in the end zone, that he [Billick] finally was shown the door because he was convinced that Boller was the QB that would finally put an offense on the field and lead us again to the promised land. Not to be.

Enter Joe Flacco in 2008. Thrown into the position in his rookie year, Flacco has performed remarkably. As Peter Schmuck pointed out, “Over the span of his career, Flacco has more combined regular-season wins and postseason victories than any other quarterback.” Think about that for a minute. Over the last five years, Flacco has more regular season and postseason wins THAN ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK. More than all of the “elite” QB’s in the league. Pretty impressive don’t you think?

Apparently not impressive enough for the Ravens. Flacco is three games away from his contract expiring and still the Ravens aren’t quite sure if he’s THE ONE.

Given the Ravens track record with QB’s over the years, it’s no surprise they’ve handled Flacco so poorly. Maybe they put too much pressure on him by waiting so long to show their confidence in him even though he has more wins than any other QB in the last five years.

The Trent Dilfer curse continues.

[PEZ]

Cam Cameron - the offense killer

[NCBirdfan]

This has been around for a long time. Starting of course with the infamous dumping of a Super Bowl winning quarterback Trent Dilfer. Yea we know the Ravens went five games without a TD that year but with a stupendous defense, won the SB. And, most of us agreed that getting rid of Dilfer for Elvis sounded like a good idea. But Elvis – who never really entered the building and quickly left the building – was a complete failure.

And then they played around a bit with Cunningham and we can’t forget Chris Redman and Blake but then enters one Kyle Boller. Billick was so impressed with Boller, the guy who could sit at mid-field and throw the ball into a trash can in the end zone, that he [Billick] finally was shown the door because he was convinced that Boller was the QB that would finally put an offense on the field and lead us again to the promised land. Not to be.

Enter Joe Flacco in 2008. Thrown into the position in his rookie year, Flacco has performed remarkably. As Peter Schmuck pointed out, “Over the span of his career, Flacco has more combined regular-season wins and postseason victories than any other quarterback.” Think about that for a minute. Over the last five years, Flacco has more regular season and postseason wins THAN ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK. More than all of the “elite” QB’s in the league. Pretty impressive don’t you think?

Apparently not impressive enough for the Ravens. Flacco is three games away from his contract expiring and still the Ravens aren’t quite sure if he’s THE ONE.

Given the Ravens track record with QB’s over the years, it’s no surprise they’ve handled Flacco so poorly. Maybe they put too much pressure on him by waiting so long to show their confidence in him even though he has more wins than any other QB in the last five years.

The Trent Dilfer curse continues.

Thank you for thoughtful and meaningful post. I agree with you completely.

[OriginalColtsFan]

This has been around for a long time. Starting of course with the infamous dumping of a Super Bowl winning quarterback Trent Dilfer. Yea we know the Ravens went five games without a TD that year but with a stupendous defense, won the SB. And, most of us agreed that getting rid of Dilfer for Elvis sounded like a good idea. But Elvis – who never really entered the building and quickly left the building – was a complete failure.

And then they played around a bit with Cunningham and we can’t forget Chris Redman and Blake but then enters one Kyle Boller. Billick was so impressed with Boller, the guy who could sit at mid-field and throw the ball into a trash can in the end zone, that he [Billick] finally was shown the door because he was convinced that Boller was the QB that would finally put an offense on the field and lead us again to the promised land. Not to be.

Enter Joe Flacco in 2008. Thrown into the position in his rookie year, Flacco has performed remarkably. As Peter Schmuck pointed out, “Over the span of his career, Flacco has more combined regular-season wins and postseason victories than any other quarterback.” Think about that for a minute. Over the last five years, Flacco has more regular season and postseason wins THAN ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK. More than all of the “elite” QB’s in the league. Pretty impressive don’t you think?

Apparently not impressive enough for the Ravens. Flacco is three games away from his contract expiring and still the Ravens aren’t quite sure if he’s THE ONE.

Given the Ravens track record with QB’s over the years, it’s no surprise they’ve handled Flacco so poorly. Maybe they put too much pressure on him by waiting so long to show their confidence in him even though he has more wins than any other QB in the last five years.

The Trent Dilfer curse continues.

Spot on. And the media, for the most part, has fanned the flames with their inaccurate, libelous attacks on Joe.

[ichy]

Apparently not impressive enough for the Ravens. Flacco is three games away from his contract expiring and still the Ravens aren’t quite sure if he’s THE ONE.

Joe Flacco is an above average but not truly top-tier quarterback, however he expects to be paid as if he were one of the best in the league. That's why he hasn't been signed.

[bmore_ken]

Joe Flacco is an above average but not truly top-tier quarterback, however he expects to be paid as if he were one of the best in the league. That's why he hasn't been signed.

He will be though...by another team

[ichy]

I think the idea of franchising him for a year to see how he plays under a new OC is a smart one. Of course if he ends up doing much better under Caldwell then the price for a long term contract will go up.

[Captain Spaulding]

Think about that for a minute. Over the last five years, Flacco has more regular season and postseason wins THAN ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK. More than all of the “elite” QB’s in the league. Pretty impressive don’t you think?

This is really the only valid point that most Flacco supporters have.

Until this year, Flacco has had the luxury of being on a very good team, with a consistant top 5 defense. How many other QB's in the league can say this? Insert Rivers, Cutler, Shaub, Ryan, and maybe even Smith and Romo, and I'd bet that they'd have just as many, if not more, wins as Joe in that time frame. Insert any of the top 6 (Rodgers, Mannings, Brady, Ben, and Brees) and I'd bet we'd have at least One Superbowl win. Of course this is something that we'll never know.

How many times did the Ravens win over that period where the offense failed to show up? I like Joe, and occasionally he has a very good game, but I still think the Ravens win in spite of him a lot of the time.

I think that the smartest thing the Ravens can do is franchise him (yeah, I know about the cost) and give him another year to see if he can become more consistant. I just think that the Ravens will truly regret giving him a long term contract at this point...

[tigercruise]

This is really the only valid point that most Flacco supporters have.

And a very valid point it is.

Until this year, Flacco has had the luxury of being on a very good team, with a consistant top 5 defense. How many other QB's in the league can say this? Insert Rivers, Cutler, Shaub, Ryan, and maybe even Smith and Romo, and I'd bet that they'd have just as many, if not more, wins as Joe in that time frame. Insert any of the top 6 (Rodgers, Mannings, Brady, Ben, and Brees) and I'd bet we'd have at least One Superbowl win. Of course this is something that we'll never know.

Was the defense top 5 when Boller played??? Why is it people can't accept the fact that Flacco has played so well in five years? More wins than any other QB and that's only because he had a top 5 defense to back him up? Yes, he has his faults, and they all do, but Flacco seems to be one of those that, well, just can't seem to get the credit he's do.

I like Joe, and occasionally he has a very good game, but I still think the Ravens win in spite of him a lot of the time.

Baloney!

[OriginalColtsFan]

This is really the only valid point that most Flacco supporters have.

I see. And...what else really matters?

[Captain Spaulding]

Was the defense top 5 when Boller played??? Why is it people can't accept the fact that Flacco has played so well in five years? More wins than any other QB and that's only because he had a top 5 defense to back him up? Yes, he has his faults, and they all do, but Flacco seems to be one of those that, well, just can't seem to get the credit he's do.


Baloney!

Apples and oranges. Boller sucked. I've never said that Joe was a bad quarterback, he is firmly entrenched in the middle of the pack.

Baloney? Don't forget to add Salami and Liverwurst... That's just your opinion, which is no more valid than my opinion is. Like I said, we will never know....

[OriginalColtsFan]

Apples and oranges. Boller sucked. I've never said that Joe was a bad quarterback, he is firmly entrenched in the middle of the pack.

Baloney? Don't forget to add Salami and Liverwurst... That's just your opinion, which is no more valid than my opinion is. Like I said, we will never know....

You DO know what they say about opinions, right?

[Captain Spaulding]

I see. And...what else really matters?

Wins are certainly the thing that matters most.

When it comes to long term mega contracts however, you don't give them to a guy that you win in spite of, not because of. How many games did the Ravens win because of the defense? Now how many did they win because of Flacco?

[Captain Spaulding]

You DO know what they say about opinions, right?

Yes, but we all have opinions now don't we?

Who's to say who's is right or wrong when there is no way of knowing for sure...

[OriginalColtsFan]

Yes, but we all have opinions now don't we?

Who's to say who's is right or wrong when there is no way of knowing for sure...

Like...say...plausible deniability?

[Captain Spaulding]

Like...say...plausible deniability?

Okay, put Flacco on the Panthers, or Browns. Do they suddenly win a boat load of games because he is their quarterback? Or do they still suck, because after all it is a team game?

[CajunRaven]

This has been around for a long time. Starting of course with the infamous dumping of a Super Bowl winning quarterback Trent Dilfer. Yea we know the Ravens went five games without a TD that year but with a stupendous defense, won the SB. And, most of us agreed that getting rid of Dilfer for Elvis sounded like a good idea. But Elvis – who never really entered the building and quickly left the building – was a complete failure.

And then they played around a bit with Cunningham and we can’t forget Chris Redman and Blake but then enters one Kyle Boller. Billick was so impressed with Boller, the guy who could sit at mid-field and throw the ball into a trash can in the end zone, that he [Billick] finally was shown the door because he was convinced that Boller was the QB that would finally put an offense on the field and lead us again to the promised land. Not to be.

Enter Joe Flacco in 2008. Thrown into the position in his rookie year, Flacco has performed remarkably. As Peter Schmuck pointed out, “Over the span of his career, Flacco has more combined regular-season wins and postseason victories than any other quarterback.” Think about that for a minute. Over the last five years, Flacco has more regular season and postseason wins THAN ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK. More than all of the “elite” QB’s in the league. Pretty impressive don’t you think?

Apparently not impressive enough for the Ravens. Flacco is three games away from his contract expiring and still the Ravens aren’t quite sure if he’s THE ONE.

Given the Ravens track record with QB’s over the years, it’s no surprise they’ve handled Flacco so poorly. Maybe they put too much pressure on him by waiting so long to show their confidence in him even though he has more wins than any other QB in the last five years.

The Trent Dilfer curse continues.

Joe will get his money.

You can thank Cam for the doubters. And let's not forget the defense had a bit to do with those wins.

[CajunRaven]

Wins are certainly the thing that matters most.

When it comes to long term mega contracts however, you don't give them to a guy that you win in spite of, not because of. How many games did the Ravens win because of the defense? Now how many did they win because of Flacco?

Let's see, remember the game in Pittsburgh game where Joe brought them back at the end and hit TJ for a TD? How about last year's AFCC game? They didn't lose because of Joe. And those were road games.

And the regular season game in NE where he drove them down the field at the end and IIRC, Mark Clayton dropped a 4th and 6th in the red zone that would have been a first down?

There are some things Joe needs to get better at, but Joe can play and I'd take him over most QBs in the league.

[tigercruise]

Apples and oranges. Boller sucked. I've never said that Joe was a bad quarterback, he is firmly entrenched in the middle of the pack.

Baloney? Don't forget to add Salami and Liverwurst... That's just your opinion, which is no more valid than my opinion is. Like I said, we will never know....

Of course it's my opinion. My opinion is Baloney! I never said my opinion was more valid than yours. You seem to be a bit touchy.

[Captain Spaulding]

Of course it's my opinion. My opinion is Baloney! I never said my opinion was more valid than yours. You seem to be a bit touchy.

In post #9, you told me that my opinion was baloney. That leads me to believe that you think that your opinion is more valid than mine. If anyone seemed touchy, it was you.

We all have our opinions, and most of them are different. None are more valid than any other because we simply do not know.

Seems strange to me that no one has answered post #16...