US declares defeat and readies to surrender to Taliban

[johnpolitics]

um....

It is a sex joke. Think about it....

[Hexexis]

Our military did fight and die for America in Afghanistan. But once we defeated the Taliban, who supported Al Qaeda during the lead up to 9/11, our military should have left. ...

No, "our military" did not fight & die for America in Afghanistan; nor in Iraq. It fought & died for think tanks & war profiteers: those may be Americans, but they ain't America.

The notion that our democracy (what's left of it) can or must be defended in ferrin desert spaces is a delusion only news anchors, def. contractors, 3 & 4 stars, & hardy jingoists can summon.

Oh: & "Taliban" was not "al-Qaida"; the original "reason" for the trek into Afghanistan was al-Qaida, not Taliban. However, w/ intense encouragement & even direction from the very non-elected war crew in & 'round the White House, that "military" (Army, Marines) & our "coalition" have taken almost 3x as long battling away @specters, ghosts, & war lords as we & our "allies" in WWII took to defeat (yes, "defeat") 2 emeffing imperialist superpowers that @the time occupied about 1/6 of the earth's surface.

Your comment that "our military should have left" you must know would be considered traitorous & seditionist in the offices of the Pentagon, Am. Enterprise Institute, & [your favorite def. contractor here].

[flyboy56]

Yeah Bush did kind of suck at the whole war thing

Director Panetta admits it was water boarding that Bush and former AG Gonzales authorized that lead to Bin Laden's courier, and then to Bin Laden himself.

[flyboy56]

No, "our military" did not fight & die for America in Afghanistan; nor in Iraq. It fought & died for think tanks & war profiteers: those may be Americans, but they ain't America.

The notion that our democracy (what's left of it) can or must be defended in ferrin desert spaces is a delusion only news anchors, def. contractors, 3 & 4 stars, & hardy jingoists can summon.

Oh: & "Taliban" was not "al-Qaida"; the original "reason" for the trek into Afghanistan was al-Qaida, not Taliban. However, w/ intense encouragement & even direction from the very non-elected war crew in & 'round the White House, that "military" (Army, Marines) & our "coalition" have taken almost 3x as long battling away @specters, ghosts, & war lords as we & our "allies" in WWII took to defeat (yes, "defeat") 2 emeffing imperialist superpowers that @the time occupied about 1/6 of the earth's surface.

Your comment that "our military should have left" you must know would be considered traitorous & seditionist in the offices of the Pentagon, Am. Enterprise Institute, & [your favorite def. contractor here].

The Taliban was in power at the time Al Qaeda trained there.

[Byng]

The Taliban was in power at the time Al Qaeda trained there.

So? The same people are in power in Saudi Arabia where the attackers came from and funded al Qaeda from and we remain firm friends with?

Why? In one word.......Oil!

And that my friend is why Bush and Cheney spent the best part of a decade in Afghanistan building infrastructure instead of chasing bin Laden down. Copper, gold, lithium, iron ore and oil. Plus of course feeding Cheney's war profiteers

[downhome]

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You don't fight and die for country (or other such similar sophistry along the lines of deluding yourself with symbolism). No, you fight and die for the most venal of humans, politicians and their crony appointees.

You (yes, you) being the cause of Taliban sympathizers shooting you is merely par for the course and only adds to the epic failure that is the stinking liquefied excrement that are the 'rules' of war and the counterinsurgency strategy that results from it.

Wow. Our troops are in harm's way, which is what they do. But the real reason they are in danger is because they unwittingly do things like fart and belch and speak up for the rights of Afghan women. Our foreign policy has nothing to do with it whatsoever? Thanks for clearing that up.

[CajunRaven]

Notice how conservatives will never explain what the objective of staying in Afghanistan is but they will complain about our military concluding the mission in 2014. It's also funny that conservatives never indicate when they would like us to withdraw from Afghanistan

Excuse me Spot, but I'm a conservative and I think waiting until 2014 is too long.

So I'm complaining about 2014 being too long and giving you a date I'd like to withdraw, which is as fast as we can.

There are quite a few of us conservatives here who think we need to get out now. Stop broad brushing folks.

It might be noteworthy for you to look back at the President's remarks on Afghanistan, he called it the good war IIRC.

[bmore_ken]

Director Panetta admits it was water boarding that Bush and former AG Gonzales authorized that lead to Bin Laden's courier, and then to Bin Laden himself.

Now can you go repeat that to the over 4000 families currently without a father thanks to the Iraqi invasion? Thanks in advance. Let's not forget Bin Laden could have been captured at Tora Bora years ago.