Connecticut school shooting

[Saticon3]

Of course all is not known about this yet and no one knows the right thing to do-- what may be right for one situation may be wrong for another-- but I have always questioned the "lockdown" response , and wonder if " everybody get out as fast as you can, anyway you can" might save more lives-- lockdown seems to me to gather and secure more victims for the shooter. For years, the police response was secure the perimiter and wait for SWAT--- which has at last changed to "get in there with what you got and get that shooter", maybe its time to change some other responses as well. I read that one jurisdiction in Texas teaches kids to fight if cornered.

[Sprightly]

My God, the bodies of the children are not even cold before our resident gun-nuts are out in force defending their position. Shame on everyone of you!

Don't forget to mention the anti-gun nuts. Okay? Okay.

[The Shadow]

Shadow, what is the problem?

Mom49of4, why was my post removed?

[Mom49of4]

It is returned after a clean up.

[The Shadow]

It is returned after a clean up.

Okay. Thank you.

[Windman]

Fallacy.

Several of the theater massacre attendees in Colorado were armed, and it did them no good. It happened too quick and in almost total darkness.

Much has ben written by police and law enforcement officials that have come right out and said - Since the assailant has the element of surprise, and can chose the circumstances of when and where he wants to kill a lot of people, there's little an armed citizenry can do to prevent. Might the overall number of victims been reduced if school officials had been armed? Perhaps? But equally as likely, there may have been more innocents hit by stray shots from an armed citizenry shooting in every direction.

You can't carry in Colorado theaters if they did they were breaking the law. What that guy did and this guy are more of a problem with today's decay of morals and traditional American values. Perhaps a way to prevent this from happening again would be to change the course of American society back to a time when life was held in higher regard. When people didn't follow the what's in it for me and if it feels good do it mind set. When God wasn't the enemy and people tried to live by the 10 Commandments instead of trying to have them banned. After all they really just boil down to treating each other with love and respect and is that so bad? More gun laws even a ban of guns altogether would not have prevented this after all schools and most theaters are "Gun free zones" see the good it did. Putting a band-aid on a society that has arterial bleeding of values, morals and respect for one another is not the answer (yes even I sometimes have that problem, big time). God Bless those people and their families.

[cprenegade]

My God, the bodies of the children are not even cold before our resident gun-nuts are out in force defending their position. Shame on everyone of you!

Byng, I agree with you. But check back through all of the posts in this thread and you will find that the anti-gun nuts are also out in force telling us that this is why we need everything from more gun control to the abolishment of the second amendment. My position is that the gun is only the tool. I would rather tackle the problem as to what made this person do what he did, and see if we can't find a way to attack the root cause instead of the symptoms.

[Grindelwald]

No not at all. But someone determined to cause this level of mayhem could procure the non-gun weapon to do it.A few years back, a tanker of diesel (or gas, can't remember) was hijacked at a Baltimore terminal (for profit) and they made it to DC and managed to drop the load (unload the gas in the underground tank) long before anyone got caught.

I already stated that gun control wouldn't have been any help in this POS's case.

[genghiskhanraven]

Has the NRA come out and said that we need to arm toddlers in kindergarden?

[songfourone]

People--many on this forum--mock religion. But when tragedies like this happen, what do we do? We pray.

Some do and some don't.

[Byng]

Byng, I agree with you. But check back through all of the posts in this thread and you will find that the anti-gun nuts are also out in force telling us that this is why we need everything from more gun control to the abolishment of the second amendment. My position is that the gun is only the tool. I would rather tackle the problem as to what made this person do what he did, and see if we can't find a way to attack the root cause instead of the symptoms.

The raw emotion of this slaughter of children today is too deep and raw for me and I would imagine everybody in America so it is no time to be discussing the subject of guns in any shape or form.

Suffice to say though we can't continue to ignore the elephant in the room which is the all too easy availability and access to guns in this country and reasonable 'Gun Control' has to be addressed and it has to be addressed in a bi-partisan fashion.

Hopefully our President, in a second term, so not up for reelection, will provide the leadership and courage to take this issue by the horns, in the not too distant future and demand bi-partisan ideas that leads to action to start addressing an obviously deteriating situation.

[dialtone]

Unbelievable

[ivanbalt]

The raw emotion of this slaughter of children today is too deep and raw for me and I would imagine everybody in America so it is no time to be discussing the subject of guns in any shape or form.

When there are no answers for why some animal wanted to destroy so many young lives, all that is left is to question/discuss/defend our current beliefs and try to figure out what if anything could have changed the reality.

[cprenegade]

It is now being reported that the brother of the shooter has told authorities that his brother had mental problems. It is also being reported that all three of the guns used by the shooter were legally registered to the mother. So my first question has to be what in the world was she thinking having that kind of weaponry in a house with her mentally disturbed son? Was she getting treatment for him or was she just ignoring the problem? Did she have the guns properly locked up so that he could not get them? A lot of questions that point squarely at her right now.

[veritas]

The guns were registered to Lanza's mother. There is no connection between the purchase of these weapons and the perpetrator. Lanza was obviously deranged and deranged people will manage to carry out their crimes unless we somehow intervene beforehand. Looking at guns is looking in the wrong place. Guns no more caused this crime than cars cause car wrecks or planes caused 9/11. We do need to have a national background check standard for all states in regard to purchasing guns but, again, that would not have stopped this crime.

[cprenegade]

The raw emotion of this slaughter of children today is too deep and raw for me and I would imagine everybody in America so it is no time to be discussing the subject of guns in any shape or form.

Suffice to say though we can't continue to ignore the elephant in the room which is the all too easy availability and access to guns in this country and reasonable 'Gun Control' has to be addressed and it has to be addressed in a bi-partisan fashion.

Hopefully our President, in a second term, so not up for reelection, will provide the leadership and courage to take this issue by the horns, in the not too distant future and demand bi-partisan ideas that leads to action to start addressing an obviously deteriating situation.

I agree that a discussion on gun control can be had, but this situation is less about that then it is about what was being done for the disturbed person who did this. His brother gave a statement to police that the shooter had mental problems. His mother had legally purchased all of the weapons. What was she doing to help her son, or was she just ignoring the warning signs and hoping they would go away. If she was not taking the proper steps to get him help, then she is just as much to blame as him for this tragedy.

[Byng]

It is now being reported that the brother of the shooter has told authorities that his brother had mental problems. It is also being reported that all three of the guns used by the shooter were legally registered to the mother. So my first question has to be what in the world was she thinking having that kind of weaponry in a house with her mentally disturbed son? Was she getting treatment for him or was she just ignoring the problem? Did she have the guns properly locked up so that he could not get them? A lot of questions that point squarely at her right now.

Don't you think this underscores the reasons that just stopping the insane and criminals from being able to purchase guns does not solve the problem. They steal them from irresponsible gun owners.

The shooting earlier in the week at the Mall was with a weapon stolen from another irresponsible gun owner that had the weapon legally.

[veritas]

Don't you think this underscores the reasons that just stopping the insane and criminals from being able to purchase guns does not solve the problem. They steal them from irresponsible gun owners.

The shooting earlier in the week at the Mall was with a weapon stolen from another irresponsible gun owner that had the weapon legally.

How is having your gun stolen make you irresponsible? In Lanza's case, he apparently lived with his mother but we're talking about a 20 year old man, not a child. It's rather difficult to think you can keep the weapons away from him if he's intent on getting them. The real crime is not getting this guy institutionalized a while ago.

[downhome]

You're right. Currently they're interviewing kids. Disgusting.

to be broadcast on the news? and their parents think this is a good idea?

[ivanbalt]

Don't you think this underscores the reasons that just stopping the insane and criminals from being able to purchase guns does not solve the problem. They steal them from irresponsible gun owners.

The shooting earlier in the week at the Mall was with a weapon stolen from another irresponsible gun owner that had the weapon legally.

What is the alternative?