Connecticut school shooting

[ivanbalt]

to be broadcast on the news? and their parents think this is a good idea?

Yeah, on CNN they were interviewing very young kids. Disgraceful.

[Ravens2006]

It's a disgusting, disgusting, tragic incident. Horrifying.

When we look at the stats on how many are killed by alcohol and drug impaired drivers every day, every year, it's hard to NOT make a case against alcohol and drug legalization.

Yet as a society we don't get too worked up about that.

Comical.

[Byng]

How is having your gun stolen make you irresponsible? In Lanza's case, he apparently lived with his mother but we're talking about a 20 year old man, not a child. It's rather difficult to think you can keep the weapons away from him if he's intent on getting them. The real crime is not getting this guy institutionalized a while ago.

I said that I wasn't getting into a discussion on guns today but I spent 26 years in the military and we knew how to control access to weapons and account for weapons especially battlefield weapons.

I will admit that with the jobs I had in the military I didn't get issued a weapon that often but on the times I was the only time I had any control over that weapon was while I was on duty. When my duty was over it got checked in at the Armory and all ammunition was accounted for. (We are of course not talking about the battlefield or war zones)

We could do the same with civilian ownership, in that if you wish to have automatic/military style weapons that are definitely not needed for personal protection then keep them at a gun club where they are secure and controlled. That would take automatic weapons of the street and then people like this kid this morning would not have access to them in the first place,

[ivanbalt]

We could do the same with civilian ownership, in that if you wish to have automatic/military style weapons that are definitely not needed for personal protection then keep them at a gun club where they are secure and controlled. That would take automatic weapons of the street and then people like this kid this morning would not have access to them in the first place,

I'm not completely opposed to something like that. It would have eliminated the bushmaster. But what about the pistols? I'd classify them as for personal protection.

[cprenegade]

Don't you think this underscores the reasons that just stopping the insane and criminals from being able to purchase guns does not solve the problem. They steal them from irresponsible gun owners.

The shooting earlier in the week at the Mall was with a weapon stolen from another irresponsible gun owner that had the weapon legally.

There are plenty of irresponsible automobile owners who cause fatal accidents every day. Should we punish the responsible ones and take cars away from everyone? This crime could have been prevented if someone had gotten help for this deranged person, or had him committed so that he couldn't harm anyone. I am still of the mind that you don't treat the symptom but rather try to treat the disease.

[Sprightly]

I said that I wasn't getting into a discussion on guns today but I spent 26 years in the military and we knew how to control access to weapons and account for weapons especially battlefield weapons.

I will admit that with the jobs I had in the military I didn't get issued a weapon that often but on the times I was the only time I had any control over that weapon was while I was on duty. When my duty was over it got checked in at the Armory and all ammunition was accounted for. (We are of course not talking about the battlefield or war zones)

We could do the same with civilian ownership, in that if you wish to have automatic/military style weapons that are definitely not needed for personal protection then keep them at a gun club where they are secure and controlled. That would take automatic weapons of the street and then people like this kid this morning would not have access to them in the first place,

Yeah? And with all the ability to control and inventory weapons -- Ft. Hood happened. Interesting.

[Byng]

There are plenty of irresponsible automobile owners who cause fatal accidents every day. Should we punish the responsible ones and take cars away from everyone? This crime could have been prevented if someone had gotten help for this deranged person, or had him committed so that he couldn't harm anyone. I am still of the mind that you don't treat the symptom but rather try to treat the disease.

There was a similar occurrence in China today but the assailant was armed with a knife. The difference was that none of the children were killed but it would have been a different story had he had an automatic weapon.

The situation would have been less horrific today if the shooter had not had an automatic weapon, the deaths would probably have been in the low single digits rather than closing in on 30. N0 Civilian needs an automatic weapon in the home for self protection.

[Byng]

Yeah? And with all the ability to control and inventory weapons -- Ft. Hood happened. Interesting.

Good job Sprightly, we can all come up with the exception rather than the rule but we just end up looking silly.

[johnpolitics]

I don't consider using unarmed elementary school kids a target practice a 'blaze of glory'. It just plain cowardly...

I did not say "blaze of glory" I said blaze. There is a difference.
But it is cowardly.

[ivanbalt]

There was a similar occurrence in China today but the assailant was armed with a knife. The difference was that none of the children were killed but it would have been a different story had he had an automatic weapon.

The situation would have been less horrific today if the shooter had not had an automatic weapon, the deaths would probably have been in the low single digits rather than closing in on 30. N0 Civilian needs an automatic weapon in the home for self protection.

Was the bushmaster fully auto? I thought civilian AR-15 types were semi-auto.

[BlandFood]

UK murder rates have always been significantly lower than the US and this was true long before they disarmed their citizens. Crime rates have gone up since they outlawed guns and home invasions are an epidemic compared to the US.

That's because they're as boring as their bland food. It numbed their brain.

[BlandFood]

I can't watch. I can't watch and listen as the talking heads, pundits and 'the experts' analyze, critique and explain to us all how something like this could happen. They'll blame mental health, reality T.V., movies, Facebook and everything else all the while down playing or outright ignoring the real culprit which is the 2nd amendment and the ease with which it allows people to purchase guns and gun assessors.

The 2nd amendment is like scripture in that it is infallible, inerrant and immutable.

And because of that this heartbreaking tragedy will happen again.

Just you wait and see.




He killed babies.

I can't/won't watch anymore.

Yes he did George..... much like an abortionist does but not nearly as many. BOTH sad events.

[BlandFood]

It must SOMEHOW be Obama's fault...

I'm sure Drudge will have it by morning.

Bobo himself, no. His ideals...... yeppers.

[veritas]

I said that I wasn't getting into a discussion on guns today but I spent 26 years in the military and we knew how to control access to weapons and account for weapons especially battlefield weapons.

I will admit that with the jobs I had in the military I didn't get issued a weapon that often but on the times I was the only time I had any control over that weapon was while I was on duty. When my duty was over it got checked in at the Armory and all ammunition was accounted for. (We are of course not talking about the battlefield or war zones)

We could do the same with civilian ownership, in that if you wish to have automatic/military style weapons that are definitely not needed for personal protection then keep them at a gun club where they are secure and controlled. That would take automatic weapons of the street and then people like this kid this morning would not have access to them in the first place,

That's hardly practical and takes weapons away from legal, responsible citizens. Plus, mayhem can be just as easily committed with handguns. Look at VA Tech. Do we know if the guy even fired his rifle today? Seems like he used handguns for the most part.

[cprenegade]

There was a similar occurrence in China today but the assailant was armed with a knife. The difference was that none of the children were killed but it would have been a different story had he had an automatic weapon.

The situation would have been less horrific today if the shooter had not had an automatic weapon, the deaths would probably have been in the low single digits rather than closing in on 30. N0 Civilian needs an automatic weapon in the home for self protection.

I agree with you on the need for an automatic weapon, but I still think you are aiming your anger at the tool instead of the disease. If that person's issues and/or illnesses are properly addressed, the weapons he used become neutralized. Let's see how the story plays out and how many warning signs this kid displayed that went unaddressed. A forensic Phsychologist on CNN said that certainly firearms played a role in the tragedy, but if anyone with a mental illness of the type he displayed wanted to kill a number of people, there were other means he could have used. Again, treat the illness and the tool is rendered harmless. That is the more important key than using the tragedy as a means to call for increased gun control.

[Sprightly]

Good job Sprightly, we can all come up with the exception rather than the rule but we just end up looking silly.

Ft. Bragg.

[Byng]

Was the bushmaster fully auto? I thought civilian AR-15 types were semi-auto.

I have no idea, you can probably put my knowledge of guns, on a pinhead. But I do pride myself with having common sense and my common sense tells me that from a gun-control viewpoint automatic weapons are best out of the hands of civilians and locked up in an armory/gun-club.

Go check them out of the armory and run around the range playing soldiers to your hearts content but just check them back into the armory when your done?

[Phoenix]

Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/14/connecticut-school-shooting-gun-control/1770345/

“If there's someone present with a gun when a mass shooting begins, the shooter is likely to be shot himself. And, in fact, many mass shootings — from the high school shooting by Luke Woodham in Pearl, Miss., to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo., where an armed volunteer shot the attacker — have been terminated when someone retrieved a gun from a car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Policies making areas "gun free" provide a sense of safety to those who engage in magical thinking, but in practice, of course, killers aren't stopped by gun-free zones. As always, it's the honest people — the very ones you want to be armed — who tend to obey the law.”

And once again, the theory I postulated years ago has manifested itself again, unfortunately: In over 50% of the mass shootings, the shooter will continue shooting until someone else shoots him, or he commits suicide by firearm himself.

Every one of us, myself included, who work in “gun free zones”, are but sitting targets for psycho’s who choose to ignore both laws and signs proclaiming work areas are “weapon free". My CCW permit is only used away from work, I have no other choice. I do not like it, but I have gotten used to working, exposed like fish in a barrel.

I fully expect to see larger “NO GUNS” signs to replace the small stickers, to make us all feel safer while we work in our fish barrel. I have gotten used to it, how about the rest of you who are forced to work under the false security of “no gun” signs plastered everywhere at your workplace??

[Byng]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/12/14/connecticut-school-shooting-gun-control/1770345/

“If there's someone present with a gun when a mass shooting begins, the shooter is likely to be shot himself. And, in fact, many mass shootings — from the high school shooting by Luke Woodham in Pearl, Miss., to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo., where an armed volunteer shot the attacker — have been terminated when someone retrieved a gun from a car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Policies making areas "gun free" provide a sense of safety to those who engage in magical thinking, but in practice, of course, killers aren't stopped by gun-free zones. As always, it's the honest people — the very ones you want to be armed — who tend to obey the law.”

And once again, the theory I postulated years ago has manifested itself again, unfortunately: In over 50% of the mass shootings, the shooter will continue shooting until someone else shoots him, or he commits suicide by firearm himself.
Every one of us, myself included, who work in “gun free zones”, are but sitting targets for psycho’s who choose to ignore both laws and signs proclaiming work areas are “weapon free. My CCW permit is only used away from work, I have no other choice. I do not like it, but I have gotten used to working, exposed like fish in a barrel.
I fully expect to see larger “NO GUNS” signs to replace the small stickers, to make us all feel safer while we work in our fish barrel. I have gotten used to it, how about the rest of you who are forced to work under the false security of “no gun” signs plastered everywhere at your workplace??

There is always one that says that the answer is MORE guns and we now need to arm kindergarten teachers. The mind just boggles!

[ivanbalt]

I have no idea, you can probably put my knowledge of guns, on a pinhead. But I do pride myself with having common sense and my common sense tells me that from a gun-control viewpoint automatic weapons are best out of the hands of civilians and locked up in an armory/gun-club.

Go check them out of the armory and run around the range playing soldiers to your hearts content but just check them back into the armory when your done?

How can I defend my home without an M60 and a full belt?