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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot72 View Post
    Not sure how you pulled politics out of this but every nutcase if alive will use this excuse. This was mass murder. Terrorism to say the least.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t

    ter·ror·ism
    [ter-uh-riz-uh m]
    noun
    1.
    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
    2.
    the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
    3.
    a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
    Thats why, now you learned something new. It was not terrorism it was a lone nut case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanbalt View Post
    Are you actually advocating guns in schools for teachers? Absolute insanity.

    Yes, since the adoption of "gun free" zones obviously failed completely yesterday, as it did in Aurora, Columbine and in many other situations.

    Concealed carry only those adults who have a valid state issued CCW permit, providing that the state does in fact have a CCW permit in effect.

    What's the big deal? I am going on year 17 or so of possessing a valid CCW permit.

    You want to lessen the impact of flu? You get a flu shot.

    You want to avoid smallpox? You get a small pox shot.

    You want to avoid being shot? You carry a gun to shoot any would be perp.

    The only logical reply to force is counterforce, and if you are unwilling or unable to do anything for your self, you are a statistic waiting to happen. Fish in a barrel, so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokey 1 View Post
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism?s=t



    Thats why, now you learned something new.
    It will be interesting to see what comes out about this guy. There's a concept in mental health called "psychological leakage"; basically means it's nearly impossible for someone to be profoundly disturbed and to keep it completely hidden, it will manifest itself in touchpoints thruout his/her life.

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    This case is so horrible that I can't even stand to wrap my brain around what happened.
    I can't and won't debate politics on this subject. Hug your kids and loved ones people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amacada
    Twenty Children are gunned down in the latest massacre in the USA and a lot of the same people are all for maintaining the status quo.
    20 children die in Connecticut and people are outraged at a system (known as the Constitution) that allows it to happen.

    Yet......

    Glorious Leader has authorized drone strikes which have killed over 100 innocent children in Pakistan and a lot of His supporters (many of the same who are whining about gun control) are all for maintaining the status quo.

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    Incredible.
    Incredible. (incredible hypocrisy)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Yes, since the adoption of "gun free" zones obviously failed completely yesterday, as it did in Aurora, Columbine and in many other situations.

    Concealed carry only those adults who have a valid state issued CCW permit, providing that the state does in fact have a CCW permit in effect.

    What's the big deal? I am going on year 17 or so of possessing a valid CCW permit.

    You want to lessen the impact of flu? You get a flu shot.

    You want to avoid smallpox? You get a small pox shot.

    You want to avoid being shot? You carry a gun to shoot any would be perp.

    The only logical reply to force is counterforce, and if you are unwilling or unable to do anything for your self, you are a statistic waiting to happen. Fish in a barrel, so to speak.
    Of course.

    The only thing that stops a mass murderer with a gun, is a gun. Either the mass murderer chooses to use it on himself, or someone else with a gun chooses to use one on him, that's the way every one of these end...someone else with a gun shows up, usually much too late to make a difference.

    Colorado, VA Tech, Columbine, Luby's, McDonalds - the absence of a firearm in the hands of a "good guy" (teacher, diner, citizen, etc) can be blamed as a cause of the high death tolls in those incidents.

    And every single anti-gun hypocrite posting in this thread would welcome the arrival of a "good guy" with a gun on the scene to protect them, instead of cowering under a desk of table and hoping/praying the gunman decides to spare them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican View Post
    This case is so horrible that I can't even stand to wrap my brain around what happened.
    I can't and won't debate politics on this subject. Hug your kids and loved ones people.
    This is reality people. This same sort of thing can and does happen anywhere and everywhere.

    Every single human on the planet, well over 6 billion, is fully capable of good and bad behavior. That is reality.

    How you respond to bad behavior is your own choice. You can bury your head in the sand, and assume that civilization will protect you, or take some precautions on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    This is reality people. This same sort of thing can and does happen anywhere and everywhere.

    Every single human on the planet, well over 6 billion, is fully capable of good and bad behavior. That is reality.

    How you respond to bad behavior is your own choice. You can bury your head in the sand, and assume that civilization will protect you, or take some precautions on your own.
    I never said that I would not take precautions or that I would not support changes to our public safety laws. I just said that I am not ready or willing to debate politics right now using this subject.

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    Nice... can't you just shut up for a few days and let the parents put their children to rest first?

    Dem. lawmaker: To get gun control, Obama must ‘exploit’ shooting

    "“These incidents, these horrible, horrible incidents … are happening more and more frequently. And they will continue to happen more and more frequently until someone with the bully pulpit, and that means the president, takes leadership and pushes Congress,” Mr. Nadler said during an appearance on MSNBC’s “The Ed Show” with Ed Schultz.

    Mr. Nadler was asked whether the Newtown tragedy could be the turning point in many Democrats’ longstanding struggle to enact stronger gun laws.

    “I think we will be there if the president exploits it, and otherwise we’ll go on to the next” incident, Mr. Nadler said.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...st-exploit-sh/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot72 View Post
    Every time one of these heinous acts occur, the excuse is always "mental illness". This was a act of terrorism.
    If you look at the link Matt posted, it is stated that he may be suffering from Asperger’s syndrome. A lot of criminals who suffer from Asperger's have been diagnosed with other psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia.

    Everyone will come out and think they can keep any situation like this from happening, but you can't stop crazy.

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    So far it would seem the gun laws, which are considered the toughest in Conn., isn't what failed. It was the owner. The latest has it the mother was the owner of the guns used which, if true, will be a surprise to most who assume only men tend to own guns. If she failed to lock up her guns probably, then maybe we should be looking at owners of guns to find the problem. We don't usually blame the car when a serious accident has killed people. We focus on the operator. Why blame the guns?

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    Instead of more gun laws, just maybe we should look at confinement for the profoundly disturbed. That actually would have helped. Of course the shrinks will just want to drug the borderline insane and there will be no funding to actually keep them under watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms maggie View Post
    It will be interesting to see what comes out about this guy. There's a concept in mental health called "psychological leakage"; basically means it's nearly impossible for someone to be profoundly disturbed and to keep it completely hidden, it will manifest itself in touchpoints thruout his/her life.
    100% agree. There are always warning signs, and usually we find in cases like this that they have been ignored. Already some things are coming out that indicate people knew this guy was troubled. His brother reportedly told authorities that he had mental problems. One of the neighbors said he was "troubled". His mother had to know. It will be interesting to find out what, if anything, was being done to help treat his illness.

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    Now is not the time to have national conversation on gun laws. If anything firearm access should be more relaxed to responsible owners. There are hundreds of thousands of responsible gun owners out there. In 2008, the conspiracists said that President Obama would ban arms. Well in 2012, he has done nothing but move gun store owners from lower middle class to upper middle class and high income income status. Gun store owners have recorded record profit based off selling fear in the last 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy56 View Post
    So far it would seem the gun laws, which are considered the toughest in Conn., isn't what failed. It was the owner. The latest has it the mother was the owner of the guns used which, if true, will be a surprise to most who assume only men tend to own guns. If she failed to lock up her guns probably, then maybe we should be looking at owners of guns to find the problem. We don't usually blame the car when a serious accident has killed people. We focus on the operator. Why blame the guns?
    Huh?
    People are blaming the operator, they want to make it more difficult for "operators" to have access to guns.
    Im not giving up my guns but the NRA loses me when they support crap like assault rifle ownership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican View Post
    This case is so horrible that I can't even stand to wrap my brain around what happened.
    I can't and won't debate politics on this subject. Hug your kids and loved ones people.

    I feel the same way, but I understand why there is a discussion on guns. Who would ever want a repeat of this horrific act?

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    As more people jump on the get tough on gun laws bandwagon, this particular tragedy seems not be about weak gun laws, but a gun owner's failure to properly handle and secure the guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy56 View Post
    As more people jump on the get tough on gun laws bandwagon, this particular tragedy seems not be about weak gun laws, but a gun owner's failure to properly handle and secure the guns.
    As most of these tragedies are. So seeing that according to Brady's Website, 87% of Americans (before yesterday's slaughter) want gun safety in America addressed, a 2nd. term President not up for reelection will show the leadership and courage to take this issue on.

    The issue is not mental health the issue is gun control!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spot72 View Post
    There are hundreds of thousands of responsible gun owners out there.
    I would hope there are more than hundreds of thousands. If not, there are tens of millions of irresponsible owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byng View Post
    As most of these tragedies are. So seeing that according to Brady's Website, 87% of Americans (before yesterday's slaughter) want gun safety in America addressed, a 2nd. term President not up for reelection will show the leadership and courage to take this issue on.

    The issue is not mental health the issue is gun control!
    The issue is that people want to make sweeping public policy changes based on extremely rarer high-profile incidents, which is a poor decision.

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