Connecticut school shooting

[flyboy56]

That doesn't make it right. There should be an age limit to drive for elderly just as there's and age limit for young people.

Great. Now go tell that to your local RMV when they pass an elderly person even when they fail their vision test.

[genghiskhanraven]

Gun ownership is a constitutional right. Driving is a privilege. Now fetch the ball.

I never said gun ownership wasn't a right, i just blew up your stupid point with a fact that special intrest groups fight against common sense laws

you have nothing so go fetch the ball again little kid

[Fang]

Gun ownership is a constitutional right.

So is voting. Yet I only need to show ID for one of those "rights".

[dialtone]

Great. Now go tell that to your local RMV when they pass an elderly person even when they fail their vision test.

What would be the point in that?

[Spot72]

The anti gun lobby will push for assault rifle and gun show selling banning.
I don't think President Obama will ban either either though Michael Bloomberg pushing hard for Washington to pass legislation.

WASHINGTON -- New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg called on President Barack Obama to take “immediate action” following Friday’s mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., which reportedly left at least 27 dead, including 20 children.

In a statement released Friday afternoon, Bloomberg noted that Obama rightly sent his condolences to the families in Newtown, but urged the president to immediately introduce reforms that would create more restrictions around gun control. He is the co-chair of Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a coalition of more than 600 mayors who support gun control initiatives, through which he issued the statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/n...-politics.html

[flyboy56]

What would be the point in that?

No point at all. Everyone knows there are issues with the elderly driving, with a legal license, that exceeds their capability to drive safely. Driving is a privilege, not a right.

[flyboy56]

So is voting. Yet I only need to show ID for one of those "rights".

Voting ID requirements will be coming to your state soon.

[veritas]

Obviously that is not working so those 53% of Americans that don't own guns and the 87% that want tighter control of guns need to take the responsibility away from irresponsible owners and I would think that responsible gun owners would not have an argument with that?

Who knows when an owner becomes irresponsible? That usually can't be determined until something goes wrong. Are we to have monitors going around checking up on every gun owner? No, the answer lies elsewhere.

[Jeebus]

So is voting. Yet I only need to show ID for one of those "rights".

Point out the part in the Constitution where you found this supposed right to vote.

(psst - it's not in there)

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

[flyboy56]

Who knows when an owner becomes irresponsible? That usually can't be determined until something goes wrong. Are we to have monitors going around checking up on every gun owner? No, the answer lies elsewhere.

And does the answer have to come from the government? Because the reason why people refuse to give up their guns is because they don't competely trust the government. And neither did the founding fathers when they wrote the second amendment.

[WKDWZD]

Why do we not hear about having stricter driver's license control on the elderly?

Is there an elderly age limit for gun ownership?

[cprenegade]

As most of these tragedies are. So seeing that according to Brady's Website, 87% of Americans (before yesterday's slaughter) want gun safety in America addressed, a 2nd. term President not up for reelection will show the leadership and courage to take this issue on.

The issue is not mental health the issue is gun control!

Ok. So Byng, please tell me what could you have done in addressing gun safety that would have prevented this tragedy? These guns were all legally purchased and registered by the mother. The assualt rifle was NOT even used in this incident. Connecticut is one of the tougher gun law states. Short of banning and destroying all guns in the country, what could have been legislated that would have prevented this tragedy? On the other hand, if his mental illness were being properly treated he never would have been moved to do something like this and the guns would not be an issue. Even on CNN several psychologists have sided with the view that the guns seem to be less of the problem than an underlying mental problem that was left untreated.

[gonzoliberal]

I said it before and I'll say it again;

this is not a gun issue... it's a mental health issue.

The shooter was nuts... had "gone over the edge".

...was known to have mental health issues.

It will be much easier to increase the access to mental health treatment than it would be to "control" guns.

[flyboy56]

Is there an elderly age limit for gun ownership?

I said nothing about placing an age limit on driving. Age does not necessarily mean someone is physically or mentally incapable of driving. And as far as I know there is no age limit on gun ownership either.

[veritas]

Ok. So Byng, please tell me what could you have done in addressing gun safety that would have prevented this tragedy? These guns were all legally purchased and registered by the mother. The assualt rifle was NOT even used in this incident. Connecticut is one of the tougher gun law states. Short of banning and destroying all guns in the country, what could have been legislated that would have prevented this tragedy? On the other hand, if his mental illness were being properly treated he never would have been moved to do something like this and the guns would not be an issue. Even on CNN several psychologists have sided with the view that the guns seem to be less of the problem than an underlying mental problem that was left untreated.

It's amazing how the left ignores the evidence and prattles on about gun control. Every day hundreds of homicides are committed nationwide with handguns yet all we'll hear about now are calls for assault weapons bans from Obama on down. As you said, yesterday's massacre was committed with handguns and it was the second largest mass shooting ever. The largest, VA Tech, was also committed with handguns. We need to be addressing how to better identify mentally disturbed people and what to do with them, not frothing at the mouth about guns.

[WKDWZD]

I said nothing about placing an age limit on driving. Age does not necessarily mean someone is physically or mentally incapable of driving. And as far as I know there is no age limit on gun ownership either.

You didn't? I could have sworn that you said "Why do we not hear about having stricter driver's license control on the elderly?", I must get my eyes tested.

[flyboy56]

It's amazing how the left ignores the evidence and prattles on about gun control. Every day hundreds of homicides are committed nationwide with handguns yet all we'll hear about now are calls for assault weapons bans from Obama on down. As you said, yesterday's massacre was committed with handguns and it was the second largest mass shooting ever. The largest, VA Tech, was also committed with handguns. We need to be addressing how to better identify mentally disturbed people and what to do with them, not frothing at the mouth about guns.

In this case the gun owner knew her son was mentally ill, that information coming from her oldest son, and because of this the mother, being the owner of the guns was responsible for securing the guns.

[veritas]

In this case the gun owner knew her son was mentally ill, that information coming from her oldest son, and because of this the mother, being the owner of the guns was responsible for securing the guns.

Yes, and that is where personal responsibility comes in. She also should have gotten her son some help as well. She apparently did neither.

[flyboy56]

You didn't? I could have sworn that you said "Why do we not hear about having stricter driver's license control on the elderly?", I must get my eyes tested.

And you missed my follow on post where I specifically mentioned a "failed vision" test. As in being more strict in enforcing laws that requires drivers to pass physical examinations. If I was talking about age I would have said age. Do you see where I mentioned age?

[flyboy56]

Yes, and that is where personal responsibility comes in. She also should have gotten her son some help as well. She apparently did neither.

We don't know what help she was getting for him if any. But she did know he was mentally disturbed.