Fischer: God Didn't Stop CT School Shooting Because of No School Prayer

[Mom49of4]

This was a horrible tragedy. The discussion of whether gun laws are strict or not is misplaced. The killer is the villain not those of us who support or do not support stricter gun laws.

I cannot imagine the pain of the parents and I find it unfathomable that 20 children which represents one classroom are now dead. I do not believe there was anything that could have been done to prevent what happened.

Those of use with loved ones should hug them tighter as do not know what tomorrow will bring.

[georjec2]

As cruel as it may be, God is more concerned with saving our souls, not our bodies. We will all see God on judgement day.

What if there is a heaven but no God or a God but no heaven ? I'm not sure either way. But I am certain that you don't know for sure neither.

Judgment day ? What proof do you have that there will even be a "judgment day" ?

[Mom49of4]

Unless you don't use your free will to worship and adore Him and his Son in which case you are doomed to hell...forever !

Maybe God 'should' stop free will it would save a lot of souls from eternal torment.

That is not true. Free will is what we teach our children when making choices for their lives. If they decide to be criminals they are using their free will. I can name other examples but hopefully you get what I am saying.

[kudzu]

That is not true. Free will is what we teach our children when making choices for their lives. If they decide to be criminals they are using their free will. I can name other examples but hopefully you get what I am saying.

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" ?

[Smokey 1]

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" ?

Hey, that just gave me a "rush".

[genghiskhanraven]

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...where-he-not-w
Ah, the Christian Right. Stay Classy.

http://www.examiner.com/article/conn...ning-to-picket

We knew this was coming, Westboro is planning a picket there for the funerals

[octoburn]

People are looking for a rational explanation for an irrational act when ~ in reality ~ there isn't one.

[Mom49of4]

People are looking for a rational explanation for an irrational act when ~ in reality ~ there isn't one.

There will never be a rational explanation for these types of tragedies.

[songfourone]

I said Lanza MAY have had a condition requiring treatment or institutionalization. I nowhere mentioned autism. Here's my other post:

And there is nothing we can do that would have prevented that from happening. It is up to gun owners to be responsible with their weapons. We've also made a huge mistake by closing down most of the mental institutions in this country. Maybe if that weren't the case, Lanza may have been committed somewhere instead of out slaughtering kindergarteners. (post #103)

You then mentioned autism in your next post. (post #105) So, autism was clearly not being spoken of by me.

So, you don't have anything as I said. The superior act is funny too. Thanks for the chuckle. Like you said, we're done.

I have read that he may have had a personality disorder or a form of autism.

The only condition that would have demanded institutionalization or hospitalization would have been that he was a danger to himself or others, involuntary hospitalization, otherwise it would have had to be on a pure voluntary basis. I have not read of any such behavior from this person previous to this tragedy. Perhaps we will find more in the coming investigation.

[Joy in Mudville]

That's rather amusing considering all the stuff you said in post #47 which was "flat out wrong" and debunked. When I looked at the 2010 Census Data awhile back, they had DC listed with the states so I made the mistake of comparing DC to the other states rather than to other metro areas. (Which I acknowledged in post #65) That, however, doesn't make DC a safe place. It is the 7th worst major city for murder according to the FBI.

1. New Orleans
2. St. Louis
3. Baltimore
4. Detroit
5. Newark
6. Oakland
7. Washington D.C.

Wait, so even by this list DC isn't the most dangerous city in America which was your completely erroneous claim. So, your whole argument is undercut. And, where's the link?

[Calamari]

Now Victoria Jackson is getting in on the Derp action:

Victoria Jackson, who starred on SNL back in 1975, also drew a comparison with abortion on Twitter.

"My friend Jim Riley posted: "Wasn't the Connecticut killer just doing what abortionists do every day? It's a wonder we don't have more 20 year old "dads" doing what women and doctors have been an accomplice to for years in America. When you forget the TEN COMMANDMENTS, people, THIS is what you get."'

Jackson, now a political commentator and Tea Party favourite, also lashed out at US President Barack Obama's tearful press conference.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...#ixzz2FIdVXl1h



I really wonder if she is pulling and Andy Kaufman and knows how stupid that sounds, or if she is serious. If the former, she is a genius.

[Oriole-Bob]

I'm really getting sick of these religious wackjobs blaming this POS's actions on abortion, no prayer in school, etc as the reason's God let this happen.

So bascially these wackjobs think that because some people in society choose to do things they don't agree with that God got angry and let some POS kill 20 kindergarteners as payback.

If this is what your God is all about you can tell that I told him to go *&^& himself.

[Jeebus]

I'm really getting sick of these religious wackjobs blaming this POS's actions on abortion, no prayer in school, etc as the reason's God let this happen.

Yes, about as disgusting as the gun grabbing leftwingnutters blaming the murders on the gun instead of the POS gunman.

[flyboy56]

What if there is a heaven but no God or a God but no heaven ? I'm not sure either way. But I am certain that you don't know for sure neither.

Judgment day ? What proof do you have that there will even be a "judgment day" ?

I don't. But I would rather be ready and safe than sorry. It is my personal belief and it helps keep me sane in an otherwise insane world. The argument people use who do not believe in God is to ask why He would allow such a tragedy if he really existed.

[songfourone]

Now Victoria Jackson is getting in on the Derp action:


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...#ixzz2FIdVXl1h



I really wonder if she is pulling and Andy Kaufman and knows how stupid that sounds, or if she is serious. If the former, she is a genius.

The first time I heard Victoria Jackson speak I thought it was satire, but sadly she is just a RWNJ.

[Steveg85321]

I'm really getting sick of these religious wackjobs blaming this POS's actions on abortion, no prayer in school, etc as the reason's God let this happen.

So bascially these wackjobs think that because some people in society choose to do things they don't agree with that God got angry and let some POS kill 20 kindergarteners as payback.

If this is what your God is all about you can tell that I told him to go *&^& himself.

I chose your post to refute, but there are many examples in this thread of people who have no understanding of God whatsoever expressing opinions on why He does or doesn't do things or lets things happen. You're always going to get ignorant people making stupid statements when they don't know what they're talking about.

I do not think it is accurate to say that God "allowed" this horrible crime because we took prayer out of schools. Think of this anecdote, in which a student asks God why he allows such violence to take place in schools; God replies "I am not allowed in schools." It is not quite the same concept.

The great Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias answered the question about the 9-11-01 attacks "Where was God when the World Trade Center was destroyed?" by replying, "God was exactly where people asked Him to be."

The point was made frequently in the Bible, even by Jesus Himself, that God's blessing is for those who believe in Him. In Luke 2:14 the angels announcing the birth of Christ tell the shepherds, "Glory to God in the highest heaven, and on earth peace among those whom he favors! (my note: He favors those who believe)” John 1:10-12 says, "He was in the world ... yet the world did not know him. He came to what was his own, and his own people did not accept him. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God..." And John 3: 16 says, "“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." The way to show God you believe is by talking to Him face to face, which is prayer.

God offers Himself to everyone, but unless we receive Him, we don't get Him. It's like getting a gift you never bother to open and then wonder why you're getting no benefit from it.

The question of why terrible things happen in a world created by a loving God is probably the most difficult question ever asked, and we cannot really know the answer. But we can know someone who does. The people whose lives have been devastated by this crime either believe or they don't. If they do believe in God's love and presence, they have Him to turn to; if they don't, they've got nothing, and that is an additional tragedy.

Unfortunately, the way it works is either you get it or you don't. If you get it, no explanation is needed, if you don't, no explanation will suffice. So you make lame snarky posts on an online message board about something you totally know nothing about.

[veritas]

I'm really getting sick of these religious wackjobs blaming this POS's actions on abortion, no prayer in school, etc as the reason's God let this happen.

So bascially these wackjobs think that because some people in society choose to do things they don't agree with that God got angry and let some POS kill 20 kindergarteners as payback.

If this is what your God is all about you can tell that I told him to go *&^& himself.

Is it any more absurd than blaming it on inanimate objects? We have a big problem in this society that is leading to these shootings. The availability of guns is not the cause. Guns have been even more readily available in the past and this stuff rarely happened. We have a societal sickness, from whatever sources, and until we address that, we will continue to see these types of crimes either carried out or attempted.

[musicmd]

It's horrible.

There, that's my monthly condemnation of violence at the behest of Islam. Now please go crawl back under your rock.

He or she has serious issues.

[veritas]

Wait, so even by this list DC isn't the most dangerous city in America which was your completely erroneous claim. So, your whole argument is undercut. And, where's the link?

What's your problem? I already told you where I made my earlier mistake regarding the relative danger level of DC. Yes, I occasionally make a mistake, sort of like you claiming that mass killings are happening with automatic weapons (they aren't) and that Charles Whitman used either that or a semi-automatic weapon. (he didn't)

The bigger point is that DC is not safe, not safe by any stretch. You might at least admit that.

[musicmd]

I must have missed the outrage of these 3 posters when they condemned Muslim groups for praising a mass murderer....

My mistake.

Your hate tells a lot about you.