Conn. Heavily Controls Guns : Result : 20 Children Slaughtered

[ms maggie]

Surely, then, the Syrian 'freedom fighters' have been defeated...

Assad's military, you're comparing to the US military? Really? In what respect?

And you'll note it wasn't armed citizens that ousted the Egyptian despot or knocked down the Berlin Wall. An aroused citizenry doesn't require weapons to exert its will against a govt that has squandered its legitimacy.

[ms maggie]

That opens the door to the type of creeping incrementalism the gun opponents want. What's not an assault weapon this year gets added to the list next year. This isn't fooling anyone.

Oh Lord, and finally the old slippery slope argument. By this logic I should be able to buy a tank or nuclear sub, after all isn't this my Second Amendment right?

As for me, when I heard these kids were riddled with bullets, up to 11 per victim, my immediate thought was well thank God we can buy these kinds of assault rifles. Damn shame about those babies, but I'm sure the founders were thinking of the acceptability of this kind of carnage when they penned that bit about a well regulated militia.

[gonzoliberal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

Proof that CC gun nuts are living in a dream world.

VERY good little video.

[Windman]

Oh Lord, and finally the old slippery slope argument. By this logic I should be able to buy a tank or nuclear sub, after all isn't this my Second Amendment right?

As for me, when I heard these kids were riddled with bullets, up to 11 per victim, my immediate thought was well thank God we can buy these kinds of assault rifles. Damn shame about those babies, but I'm sure the founders were thinking of the acceptability of this kind of carnage when they penned that bit about a well regulated militia.

Yep the old slippery slope like the one you liberals put this country on the way to the toilet. You can't stand all of the 5th most restrictive state when it comes to gun laws didn't have a single law broken by the owner of the weapons as a matter of face she was killed and the weapons were stolen, the car he used was stolen, he forced his way into the "Gun Free Zone" school and then the sick bastard murdered those people. Where were your government police? He is a result of YOUR liberal slippery slope. Why is that YOUR liberal agenda has allowed this country to devolve into the crap hole? Before the liberal agenda we left our school doors wide open to let in cool breezes. Now we have to have prisons for schools. These kids are the white males that YOUR liberal agenda has shunned, medicated and ridiculed, why is that? YOUR liberal agenda failed those children, failed the shooter, failed the nation maybe it is time to change that agenda and restore some of the traditional American values of God, self-respect, respect for others, respect for country. Get rid of liberal values that divide us and pit one group against another with the dreaded hyphen. Restore the family instead of destroying it. Reward success instead of supporting failure, Embrace God instead of shunning him. Stop the useless wars on everything on the liberal agenda, all you have to do is look at Detroit to see how well they work out. You want to blame guns I say blame liberals and until we stop the agenda we will continue down the road to our demise. By the way the 2nd Amendment say, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." you can't twist it to fit your sick liberal agenda.

[jessup270]

Great. Now why?

Show me the correlation between all those guns, and the number of bad guys actually being thwarted because of a citizens intervention....and then I will show you the horrendous increase in family member/friend gun violence on another family member or friend.

Its a well known fact that more family members, friends are killed by guns, than criminals who illegally enter your house or business, to harm you.

Studies show that a gun in the house is five times more likely to cause the death of a family member, than a criminal.

Pro gun people just refuse to act that fact.

[Smokey 1]

Absolutely wrong.

Whether you like it or not, we are all subsidizing the critically ill. Insurance rates are driven by Insurance payouts. When grandma and grandpa get lung cancer, or emphysema due to decades of smoking....we all pay, albeit, indirectly.

Now, we also have the issue of secondary smoke.

You are incredibly naive.

Then I guess to be consistent you also hate people who drink alcohol and amatuer athletes. We are subsidizing their illnesses and injuries too.

[Byng]

Yep the old slippery slope like the one you liberals put this country on the way to the toilet. You can't stand all of the 5th most restrictive state when it comes to gun laws didn't have a single law broken by the owner of the weapons as a matter of face she was killed and the weapons were stolen, the car he used was stolen, he forced his way into the "Gun Free Zone" school and then the sick bastard murdered those people. Where were your government police? He is a result of YOUR liberal slippery slope. Why is that YOUR liberal agenda has allowed this country to devolve into the crap hole? Before the liberal agenda we left our school doors wide open to let in cool breezes. Now we have to have prisons for schools. These kids are the white males that YOUR liberal agenda has shunned, medicated and ridiculed, why is that? YOUR liberal agenda failed those children, failed the shooter, failed the nation maybe it is time to change that agenda and restore some of the traditional American values of God, self-respect, respect for others, respect for country. Get rid of liberal values that divide us and pit one group against another with the dreaded hyphen. Restore the family instead of destroying it. Reward success instead of supporting failure, Embrace God instead of shunning him. Stop the useless wars on everything on the liberal agenda, all you have to do is look at Detroit to see how well they work out. You want to blame guns I say blame liberals and until we stop the agenda we will continue down the road to our demise. By the way the 2nd Amendment say, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." you can't twist it to fit your sick liberal agenda.

You had better play nice with us "Liberals" because it very obviously has not registered with you yet (or perhaps it has), how badly you were beaten in the November election and how emphatically the country rejected your polices and conservative platform.

As for Gun Control and the 2nd. Amendment if that is all you have got to bring to the table then you might as well stay home. The 2nd. Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the modern gun control debate on what are reasonable or unreasonable restrictions for the country to place on gun owners. So don't even bother dusting it off because it won't provide either side on the issue a reasoned argument.

[Smokey 1]

You had better play nice with us "Liberals" because it very obviously has not registered with you yet (or perhaps it has), how badly you were beaten in the November election and how emphatically the country rejected your polices and conservative platform.

Why, what are you going to do, march us all off to the gulag?

[Phineas Finn]

Why, what are you going to do, march us all off to the gulag?

There's no need to march anyone anywhere -- just marginalize and ignore.

[Byng]

Why, what are you going to do, march us all off to the gulag?

No, but on gun control you have two choices. 1. Join the debate with intelligent and reasoned ideas how we can make our country safer against an unacceptable level of gun violence. Or, 2. Stay home and stamp your feet screaming '2nd. Amendment Rights' while the rest of us try to deal with the actual issue here which are the 'Rights' of the public in general and children in particular not to fear being slaughtered by powerful guns in their classrooms, movie theater or just shopping at the Mall!

[Smokey 1]

No, but on gun control you have two choices. 1. Join the debate with intelligent and reasoned ideas how we can make our country safer against an unacceptable level of gun violence. Or, 2. Stay home and stamp your feet screaming '2nd. Amendment Rights' while the rest of us try to deal with the actual issue here which are the 'Rights' of the public in general and children in particular not to fear being slaughtered by powerful guns in their classrooms, movie theater or just shopping at the Mall!

What kind of "intelligent and reasoned" ideas would have prevented this tragedy?

[Byng]

What kind of "intelligent and reasoned" ideas would have prevented this tragedy?

To have had all automatic and semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of civilians the day before the slaughter not the day afterwards would have been a good start! All such weapons should be housed in a secure armory and not in a private home. And because so-called responsible gun-owners have not all been responsible they will now probably end up with all those type of weapons being banned!

[ivanbalt]

Assad's military, you're comparing to the US military? Really? In what respect?

And you'll note it wasn't armed citizens that ousted the Egyptian despot or knocked down the Berlin Wall. An aroused citizenry doesn't require weapons to exert its will against a govt that has squandered its legitimacy.

Weapons were required in Libya. And it's a bit naive to say that "aroused citizenry" brought down the Berlin Wall. Poland's Solidarity would be a better example of "aroused citizenry" in Eastern Europe although they were eventually defeated until Communism fell.

[flyboy56]

You had better play nice with us "Liberals" because it very obviously has not registered with you yet (or perhaps it has), how badly you were beaten in the November election and how emphatically the country rejected your polices and conservative platform.

As for Gun Control and the 2nd. Amendment if that is all you have got to bring to the table then you might as well stay home. The 2nd. Amendment has absolutely nothing to do with the modern gun control debate on what are reasonable or unreasonable restrictions for the country to place on gun owners. So don't even bother dusting it off because it won't provide either side on the issue a reasoned argument.

Actually what the majority of this country accepted was socialism and the promise of government handouts by increasing taxes on the rich. And that is exactly what Obama constantly points out is his mandate.

[ivanbalt]

To have had all automatic and semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of civilians the day before the slaughter not the day afterwards would have been a good start! All such weapons should be housed in a secure armory and not in a private home. And because so-called responsible gun-owners have not all been responsible they will now probably end up with all those type of weapons being banned!

First, no automatic weapons were used (unless this has changed). Second, do you want semi-auto rifles or all semi-auto weapons out of civilian hands? Most pistols are semi-automatic.

[flyboy56]

Assad's military, you're comparing to the US military? Really? In what respect?

And you'll note it wasn't armed citizens that ousted the Egyptian despot or knocked down the Berlin Wall. An aroused citizenry doesn't require weapons to exert its will against a govt that has squandered its legitimacy.

The Berlin wall came down because the Soviet Union could no longer financially support the forced captivity of the Soviet satellite states. And Gorbachev had no other options but to pull back from Soviet controlled countries. The US is headed down the exact same path.

[Byng]

First, no automatic weapons were used (unless this has changed). Second, do you want semi-auto rifles or all semi-auto weapons out of civilian hands? Most pistols are semi-automatic.

No, I want them locked up and accounted for. And seeing that many legal gun owners are not responsible enough to have that responsibility then those that are will have to suffer. Nobody needs an automatic or semi-automatic weapon in their home for protection or hunting so those not kept at an armory/gun-club will probably be banned.

[Jeebus]

To have had all automatic and semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of civilians the day before the slaughter not the day afterwards would have been a good start! All such weapons should be housed in a secure armory and not in a private home. And because so-called responsible gun-owners have not all been responsible they will now probably end up with all those type of weapons being banned!

Since the National Firearms Act was passed in 1934, how many automatic weapons owned by responsible gun owners have ever been used in a crime?

(Answer = 2. And one was by a police officer).

That's it. Two crimes total since 1934 using legally owned, registered, full-auto machine guns.

Sounds like the oft-repeated "no need to pass voter ID laws as there is no voter fraud" argument, a non-existent "crime looking for a solution."

[Smokey 1]

To have had all automatic and semi-automatic weapons out of the hands of civilians the day before the slaughter not the day afterwards would have been a good start! All such weapons should be housed in a secure armory and not in a private home. And because so-called responsible gun-owners have not all been responsible they will now probably end up with all those type of weapons being banned!

How would the government go about doing that? House to house searches?

[ivanbalt]

No, I want them locked up and accounted for. And seeing that many legal gun owners are not responsible enough to have that responsibility then those that are will have to suffer. Nobody needs an automatic or semi-automatic weapon in their home for protection or hunting so those not kept at an armory/gun-club will probably be banned.

So civilians would not be allowed to keep pistols in their home for protection? As I said, these are semi-auto.

If this is the case, this isn't reasonable gun control and it has no chance of success.