Gun Control in Australia - Watch and Weep

[BlandFood]

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Good, sounds like a liberal utopia..... move there if you like but they're selective so you cannot bring your pet animals in the city with you.

[jessup270]

I had a visiting Canadian snowbird, who was a retired corrections officer, ask me why we Americans kill some many of our fellow citizens EVERY year.

Other than easy access to firearms, I could not answer his question.

Many US citizens look at the total number of murders committed in the US and gauge whether the murder rate is improving or rising.

What most people don't bother to check is the number of people who are shot and do not die due to great medical care.

I would estimate that for very murder in Baltimore City, that ten people are the victims of an attempted murder, who survive based on world class trauma care.

[Omaha Beach]

Whatta shock, at that time outside of the native Abbie population it was mostly neutered Brits and other Euro bloodlines. Pretty good for something that was started with convicts banished from England to Australia in Botany Bay.

Ask the usual suspects on here what part of Sydney or Melbourne or Perth corresponds to East LA or the South side of Chicago and see what they come back with. As far as Wzyz considering what happened in London and Birmingham not too long ago when law abiding peole had to depend on baseball bats to defend themselves from ouf of control mobs maybe he better worry about not so merry anymore England instead of the US.

[Omaha Beach]

Too bad they don't have a Second Amendment in Australia, huh?

We've got one and look how safe we are.

Fine pass the same law here where law abiding people obey it and turn in assault weapons. Now splain to all us gun nuts how are you going to get the gang bangers, stick up boys etc etc to do the same? You know, the people who actually use those weapons to commit crimes. How is that going to work?

[regularguy]

Fine pass the same law here where law abiding people obey it and turn in assault weapons. Now splain to all us gun nuts how are you going to get the gang bangers, stick up boys etc etc to do the same? You know, the people who actually use those weapons to commit crimes. How is that going to work?

So you believe that "stick up boys" use assault weapons in their crimes?

[Joy in Mudville]

Why wouldn't you correlate it with crime rates? Aren't guns used in most crimes and isn't gun control designed to lower it? The left is arguing that we need more gun control in the wake of Newtown and I'm saying it won't matter at all, not with 300 million guns in circulation already. As for Australia, it is an island of 23 million people, less people than some US states have. You must remember they also confiscated over 600,000 weapons. There is a great difference between confiscation and gun control. If you think there's a good argument to be made with Australia, have at it but that comparsion is no more valid than the US-UK one.

Are they? In Australia most crimes are not committed with guns.

but what are you talking about here? petty theft is a crime as is shoplifting or stealing a car. Jumping a turn style in the subway is a crime.

No, what people are saying is that if you flood a society with guns and ammo a lot more people are going to get shot. Just as it is also true that if you have a gun in your home the chances of you getting shot skyrocket as was just illustrated, yet again, in Newtown.

We have the highest rate of gun-related violence, the highest number of murders, and the highest number of mass shootings when compared with other industrialized nations. Not surprisingly, or at least it shouldn't be surprising, we also have, by far, more guns in circulation than any of these industrialized countries. We also have way more guns per capita than any other industrialized country. We have easier access to semi-automatic weapons than any other industrialized country and are very lax in terms of the types of ammunition and magazines that people can buy.

That is what people are rightly pointing out. You can't seem to follow this argument. I don't know why. Or, maybe it just undercuts your worldview so you keep trying to dillute the topic.

[Omaha Beach]

So you believe that "stick up boys" use assault weapons in their crimes?

Gang bangers sure as hell do in drive by shootings. How you going to get them to comply with a law mandating that they turn them in since they get them through illegal sales that are not traceable?

[Omaha Beach]

Are they? In Australia most crimes are not committed with guns.

but what are you talking about here? petty theft is a crime as is shoplifting or stealing a car. Jumping a turn style in the subway is a crime.

No, what people are saying is that if you flood a society with guns and ammo a lot more people are going to get shot. Just as it is also true that if you have a gun in your home the chances of you getting shot skyrocket as was just illustrated, yet again, in Newtown.

We have the highest rate of gun-related violence, the highest number of murders, and the highest number of mass shootings when compared with other industrialized nations. Not surprisingly, or at least it shouldn't be surprising, we also have, by far, more guns in circulation than any of these industrialized countries. We also have way more guns per capita than any other industrialized country. We have easier access to semi-automatic weapons than any other industrialized country and are very lax in terms of the types of ammunition and magazines that people can buy.

That is what people are rightly pointing out. You can't seem to follow this argument. I don't know why. Or, maybe it just undercuts your worldview so you keep trying to dillute the topic.

What are you talking about? None of those Angels were shot in their homes. The person who was shot in her home the Mother died because the gun was used illegally but her mentally unbalanced son. This tragedy was the ACLU chickens coming home to roost because of their fight to keep mentally unbalanced people on the street instead of in an institution. Someone who has a handgun purchased legally in their home at least has a chance to defend theirself and family from an intruder. I would like to see those opposed to gun ownership have to work AT NIGHT in a 7-11or WAWA or gas station where they were not allowed to keep a pistol behind the counter for protection and then see how quickly they quit.