Should the Ravens started Tyrod Taylor next week

[OriginalColtsFan]

The Ravens need to take a good, hard look at cutting Ed Reed once this season is over. I believe he consumed the third largest amount of cap space on the team this year. IMO that's a far better place to free up money.

And...SHUDDER...LEACH. The Ravens do NOT need to shell out 4M for an effin BLOCKING FULL BACK. Of all the different types of position/skill players, blocking full backs DO really grow on trees. The Ravens PRIDED themselves on NOT overpaying for blocking full backs in the past. That is...until they signed Leach. Now, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Get a REAL NFL LT and fix the damn O-line, and you won't have to WORRY about opening holes with some battering ram FB. THAT'S why MOST NFL teams don't even HAVE a FB any more. Get with the program, Ravens.

And while you're at it, restructure those albatross contracts to Ngata and Suggs, NEITHER of which has delivered enough to justify their bloated salaries.

Discuss.

[bmore_ken]

And...SHUDDER...LEACH. The Ravens do NOT need to shell out 4M for an effin BLOCKING FULL BACK. Of all the different types of position/skill players, blocking full backs DO really grow on trees.

Careful dude, I got hammered when I said the same thing after that signing

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Regardless of how good Cousins is, you believe there will be a QB controversy in DC?

Apparently you and Baltimore Ken have problems when reading my posts in skipping over the word "could." In the world of most human beings "could" and "believe" are not the same meaning.

The reason I think there "could" be a possible QB controversy in DC is RGIII has the propensity for being injured, much like his prototype Michael Vick, which is why I call him Vick Jr. To further this thought process, if RGIII is unable to play and this boy does well and stays healthy, there "could" end up being a possible QB controversy.

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

So one game makes him the real deal? Even Boller had good games

Go back and read my post, and if you actually are smart enough to read and actually consider the word "could" in my original sentence you "should" be able to comprehend that I am not "making" him anything. I just said from what I have seen of this kid including his extremely impressive performance since he has been inserted in the position, he "could" be the real deal.

If you are so unintelligent to not understand the meaning of the word "could" and confuse it with an unquestionable declaration than maybe you should go back to school and take a remedial reading comprehension class.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Careful dide, I got hammered when I said the same thing after that signing

Ken...how long have you known me, man? Do I strike you as the kind of guy who worries about what other folks think about what I post?



(You oughta KNOW better, man!)

And hey...at least we agree on this one.

Happy Holidays!!

[Slidemaster]

I voted yes because I'm tired of the Joe Flacco era, not because it's the best thing for this particular season.

I can tell you right now how this is going to play out for the rest of the year:

Step 1: Joe has a putrid game against the NYG, people continue to get mad.

Step 2: Joe has a great game against Cincinnati, possibly leading a 4th quarter victory drive.

Step 3: The Ravens lose in the first round in the playoffs for some reason that "isn't Joe's fault."

And then everyone will be seduced by the last two games of the season, say Joe has it figured out now, say Caldwell just needed some time to get comfortable, and that NEXT year is the year Joe takes the next big step.

And then he'll be the same old Joe, because that's who he is. Great players don't need the absolute perfect environment to develop or be great. They make the environment around them great instead. Joe doesn't do that. Joe needs a perfect O-line, and a shut-down defense, and 3 sure-handed receivers, and a top 3 running back, and EVEN THEN he's only "good."

Joe Flacco belongs in the NFL. He does not belong as a starter making 18+ million dollars, and that's what I'm afraid the Ravens are going to do. I want Tyrod Taylor to start because it's the only way I can feasibly see the Ravens finally divorcing themselves from a guy who is not going to win them a Superbowl. Yes, they'll be worse. I don't care. A lot of times you have to suck in this league to become great down the road. The Ravens have had an amazing run. It's ok to have a valley for a year or two.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I voted yes because I'm tired of the Joe Flacco era, not because it's the best thing for this particular season.

I can tell you right now how this is going to play out for the rest of the year:

Step 1: Joe has a putrid game against the NYG, people continue to get mad.

Step 2: Joe has a great game against Cincinnati, possibly leading a 4th quarter victory drive.

Step 3: The Ravens lose in the first round in the playoffs for some reason that "isn't Joe's fault."

And then everyone will be seduced by the last two games of the season, say Joe has it figured out now, say Caldwell just needed some time to get comfortable, and that NEXT year is the year Joe takes the next big step.

And then he'll be the same old Joe, because that's who he is. Great players don't need the absolute perfect environment to develop or be great. They make the environment around them great instead. Joe doesn't do that. Joe needs a perfect O-line, and a shut-down defense, and 3 sure-handed receivers, and a top 3 running back, and EVEN THEN he's only "good."

Joe Flacco belongs in the NFL. He does not belong as a starter making 18+ million dollars, and that's what I'm afraid the Ravens are going to do. I want Tyrod Taylor to start because it's the only way I can feasibly see the Ravens finally divorcing themselves from a guy who is not going to win them a Superbowl. Yes, they'll be worse. I don't care. A lot of times you have to suck in this league to become great down the road. The Ravens have had an amazing run. It's ok to have a valley for a year or two.

LOL. I KNEW you were one of those "Yes" votes!!!!!

[Slidemaster]

LOL. I KNEW you were one of those "Yes" votes!!!!!

Yep. And I'm not afraid to admit it. Joe Flacco is not the answer, and the longer he plays, the more likely it is that he's going to be paid like he is. Tyrod Taylor isn't the answer either, but at least he won't handcuff the organization for 5-6 years.

[bmore_ken]

Yep. And I'm not afraid to admit it. Joe Flacco is not the answer, and the longer he plays, the more likely it is that he's going to be paid like he is. Tyrod Taylor isn't the answer either, but at least he won't handcuff the organization for 5-6 years.

If they bench time right now, he's still going to get paid next season regardless. As I said before, I can think of 5 teams of the top of my head who will sign him for market money right now. Like it or not Flacco will be here next year regardless. I'll be shocked if Ozzie lets him walk

[Slidemaster]

If they bench time right now, he's still going to get paid next season regardless. As I said before, I can think of 5 teams of the top of my head who will sign him for market money right now

Let them. I don't care what mistakes other teams make, as long as the Ravens don't make them.

[bmore_ken]

Let them. I don't care what mistakes other teams make, as long as the Ravens don't make them.

The Ravens aren't letting him walk. #1 they have no replacement, #2 his numbers although not Manning Brees numbers are pretty darn good over his career, #3 If Lee Evans catches that pass last year we're not even having this discussion. Ozzie will either sign or tag Flacco in the offseason. Book it

[Slidemaster]

The Ravens aren't letting him walk. #1 they have no replacement, #2 his numbers although not Manning Brees numbers are pretty darn good over his career, #3 If Lee Evans catches that pass last year we're not even having this discussion. Ozzie will either sign or tag Flacco in the offseason. Book it

Oh, he very well might.

It's still a mistake.

I don't care that they have nobody to replace him. They'll find someone. Not having an immediate fix ready is no reason to make a player who isn't the solution a long-term, financially debilitating part of your future.

[Dub]

Yep. And I'm not afraid to admit it. Joe Flacco is not the answer, and the longer he plays, the more likely it is that he's going to be paid like he is. Tyrod Taylor isn't the answer either, but at least he won't handcuff the organization for 5-6 years.

So who is the answer? There are not many franchise QBs in the NFL. I wonder if the Falcons were as down on Matt Ryan when he played 3 bad games in a row last month, since you know he has never won a playoff game and was not playing good. There are about 15 teams that would take Flacco right now and you want to just give him away? I think having to look for another QB for the next 5 years will hinder the organization more then paying the guy and you know what you are going to get, which is a winner.

[Slidemaster]

So who is the answer? There are not many franchise QBs in the NFL. I wonder if the Falcons were as down on Matt Ryan when he played 3 bad games in a row last month, since you know he has never won a playoff game and was not playing good. There are about 15 teams that would take Flacco right now and you want to just give him away? I think having to look for another QB for the next 5 years will hinder the organization more then paying the guy and you know what you are going to get, which is a winner.

The answer is in the draft. It might take a year. It might even take 2. It'll be worth it.

And lets not pretend this is just 3 bad games in a row. This is Joe's 5th year in the league, and he's essentially the same player he was when they drafted him. The only consistent thing about him is that he's wildly inconsistent.

[OriginalColtsFan]

If they bench time right now, he's still going to get paid next season regardless. As I said before, I can think of 5 teams of the top of my head who will sign him for market money right now. Like it or not Flacco will be here next year regardless. I'll be shocked if Ozzie lets him walk

Just curious (not challenging)...which 5 teams do you have in mind? (Any of them at least potentially SB ready with Joe at the helm?)

The only reason I'm asking is that I've been trying to think of a team where Joe could actually lead the team to the post season; not a team that's a perennial cellar dweller. And I can't really think of one. I WAS thinking the 49'ers, before Kaepernick emerged. Beyond that...I really can't think of any.)

[Dub]

Ok Mel Kiper, what QB in the draft? This QB class is very weak this year. I think its a bad patch right now for Joe. Joe usually bounces back with a big game after a poor performance. For some reason it seems like you are a Troy Smith guy. How about naming 10QB's that you would take over Joe, no rookies included, because teams haven't had a calendar year to gameplan for them yet. Good Luck.

[SugarRay52]

The answer is in the draft. It might take a year. It might even take 2. It'll be worth it.

And lets not pretend this is just 3 bad games in a row. This is Joe's 5th year in the league, and he's essentially the same player he was when they drafted him. The only consistent thing about him is that he's wildly inconsistent.

So you trust that the Ravens will draft a better QB than Joe two years from now? You trust that the Ravens will develop the same QB better than they have Joe? You trust that the same QB will never miss a start and lead the Ravens to the playoffs every year? You trust the same organization to find a new QB with ease? Are you willing to put everything you own on your dream scenario playing out perfectly?

[bmore_ken]

Just curious (not challenging)...which 5 teams do you have in mind? (Any of them at least potentially SB ready with Joe at the helm?)

The only reason I'm asking is that I've been trying to think of a team where Joe could actually lead the team to the post season; not a team that's a perennial cellar dweller. And I can't really think of one. I WAS thinking the 49'ers, before Kaepernick emerged. Beyond that...I really can't think of any.)

I didn't say any of them are necessarily SB material with Joe alone

Oakland
Tenn
Philadelphia
Jacksonville
Minny
You could probably even throw in Cleveland, The Jets, and KC

[OriginalColtsFan]

I didn't say any of them are necessarily SB material with Joe alone

Oakland
Tenn
Philadelphia
Jacksonville
Minny
You could probably even throw in Cleveland, The Jets, and KC

Yeah. Those were the teams I came up with as well. But basically...they're all bottom feeders. If the Ravens don't want Joe, I was hoping he'd find a team that had at least SOME playoff potential. But those teams are really few and far between. That SHOULD factor into Joe's final decision, IMO. There certainly WILL be teams that will offer him more money; but is it worth it to get more money and be on a really crappy team? He'll have to sort that one out. Now that Cameron is gone, I hope the offense will get more attention and more support. I still think Joe can get it done; but not with the current personnel, especially the O-line.

[Dub]

I didn't say any of them are necessarily SB material with Joe alone

Oakland
Tenn
Philadelphia
Jacksonville
Minny
You could probably even throw in Cleveland, The Jets, and KC

Good List. Don't forget the Bills.