Same offense: What did people expect?

[TigerBlood]

I'm a little confused as to why anyone expected the offense to suddenly transform into something productive just because Cam was let go. It is still the same exact offensive system with the same exact playbook. Same elementary routes. Same personnel. I really don't expect anything to change until a new system is installed in the offseason. Regardless of who is actually calling the plays, the Air Coryell offense is still in place and still a terrible match for this team and QB.

[bmore_ken]

originalcoltsfan expected 50 points with Cam gone

[Andy in Hagerstown]

Exactly.

[durango46]

I heard somewhere that Caldwell stated nothing would change at this point....

Now if that's true I would have fired him on the spot

Why would you tell the other teams def coordinator your game plan ? At least keep him guessing what the change may possibly bring...

[RavingManiac]

I just don't see how you can blame it on the play book. Flacco played horrible and it had nothing to do with the play book IMO. At some point, we got to stop making excuses for this guy and call a spade a spade. I mean next year, we will blame it on him trying to learn a new system. Before we know it, it's been eight, nine years and three or four offensive coordinators later and we are still making excuses for him. It's been five years. I've seen all I need to see. He can be an elite qb but just not often enough. He lays way too many eggs for me. Trade him to the jets for Tebow and comartie.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I expected to see the same offense that played the Bengals in game 1. Supposedly, that offense was heavily influenced by Caldwell. What I saw today looked exactly like the same offense I saw under Cameron -- NO real sense of up tempo urgency; Joe under center too many snaps; no true use of the middle of the field, etc.

[RavingManiac]

You and the middle of the field. Why do you think cam or now Caldwell do not call too many plays over the middle of the field dummy? There is only one an.swer

[durango46]

I just don't see how you can blame it on the play book. Flacco played horrible and it had nothing to do with the play book IMO. At some point, we got to stop making excuses for this guy and call a spade a spade. I mean next year, we will blame it on him trying to learn a new system. Before we know it, it's been eight, nine years and three or four offensive coordinators later and we are still making excuses for him. It's been five years. I've seen all I need to see. He can be an elite qb but just not often enough. He lays way too many eggs for me. Trade him to the jets for Tebow and comartie.

I thought the decision to hurry up and throw that stupid pass in the flat was horrible play calling.

Why not use the TO and run the ball....? there was plenty of time with 3 timeouts left. Instead the play calling put it in Flaccos hands...

again....why not use your ELITE RB ?

and it was clearly the game changer

[durango46]

You and the middle of the field. Why do you think cam or now Caldwell do not call too many plays over the middle of the field dummy? There is only one an.swer

same playbook

[Ravens2006]

I just don't see how much change we should have expected in one week. They should have gone a different direction before camp, but too late for that now. They still have the same highly flawed offensive line. Williams, Birk, and Reid are collectively nearly incapable of getting ANY push in the middle. That has to be fixed in the off-season. Maybe the receivers are capable of more with different route trees at their disposal, but adjusting to months if not years of the same thing isn't going to happen overnight.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I just don't see how much change we should have expected in one week. They should have gone a different direction before camp, but too late for that now. They still have the same highly flawed offensive line. Williams, Birk, and Reid are collectively nearly incapable of getting ANY push in the middle. That has to be fixed in the off-season. Maybe the receivers are capable of more with different route trees at their disposal, but adjusting to months if not years of the same thing isn't going to happen overnight.

SURE it is. Just ask RavingManiac and WestChesterRaven. After one game, it's OBVIOUS the flaws had NOTHING to do with Cam Cameron. After all, today's game PROVED that. What's wrong with you? Are you blind? Didn't you watch today's game?

[RavingManiac]

I thought the decision to hurry up and throw that stupid pass in the flat was horrible play calling.

Why not use the TO and run the ball....? there was plenty of time with 3 timeouts left. Instead the play calling put it in Flaccos hands...

again....why not use your ELITE RB ?

and it was clearly the game changer

Everyone on here has been begging to give flacco more control of the offense. They give him a little bit of control and flacco fails. Many people have been begging for a faster paced offense, OCF said flacco thrives in the no huddle...fail. I see what you are saying but they probably didn't want to let them make subs. I just thought flacco was supposed to thrive in those situations.

[RavingManiac]

SURE it is. Just ask RavingManiac and WestChesterRaven. After one game, it's OBVIOUS the flaws had NOTHING to do with Cam Cameron. After all, today's game PROVED that. What's wrong with you? Are you blind? Didn't you watch today's game?

Lmao!!!!!! Are you seriously going to sit there and act like you knew there wasn't going to be much of a change in the offense today??? You knew flacco would still suck with Cam gone? How stupid do you think everyone on here is? Let me help you out. If you are going to play this role, go quickly edit your post on the other thread where you said you expected flacco to light it up like in the bengals game. Just go delete that post real quick before someone calls you out.

[durango46]

Everyone on here has been begging to give flacco more control of the offense. They give him a little bit of control and flacco fails. Many people have been begging for a faster paced offense, OCF said flacco thrives in the no huddle...fail. I see what you are saying but they probably didn't want to let them make subs. I just thought flacco was supposed to thrive in those situations.

you should have heard me yelling at he TV...TO....TO.... set it up. Run the damn football.

IMO, everything was wrong with that play call . Just to big a risk.

[RavingManiac]

you should have heard me yelling at he TV...TO....TO.... set it up. Run the damn football.

IMO, everything was wrong with that play call . Just to big a risk.

I guess you are probably right. They could have even ran the ball in the no huddle, I guess. Still, that is a ball flacco has no business throwing. He HAS to be better than that. I agree with you though.

[OriginalColtsFan]

you should have heard me yelling at he TV...TO....TO.... set it up. Run the damn football.

IMO, everything was wrong with that play call . Just to big a risk.

They had 3 timeouts as well. Bad play by Joe. Bad call. Just bad all the way around.

[durango46]

I guess you are probably right. They could have even ran the ball in the no huddle, I guess. Still, that is a ball flacco has no business throwing. He HAS to be better than that. I agree with you though.

I would like to hear a professionals break down of that play.

Was it all Flaccos fault ?
Should he have read the defense ? Audible ??
Or was it just a timing play ? just throwing to a spot

I'm real interested to hear their take on it ...If it's all Flaccos fault then he deserves all the criticism

I will says this about Flacco. He is clearly slow to read things....he just doesn't process things fast enough for me. He needs more time than top tier QBs

[bmore_ken]

I would like to hear a professionals break down of that play.

Was it all Flaccos fault ?
Should he have read the defense ? Audible ??
Or was it just a timing play ? just throwing to a spot

I'm real interested to hear their take on it ...If it's all Flaccos fault then he deserves all the criticism

I will says this about Flacco. He is clearly slow to read things....he just doesn't process things fast enough for me. He needs more time than top tier QBs

Well Dierdorf(and I know a lot of you likes nothing he says) said that it was a bad throw by Flacco but it wasn't a bad call because they were moving fast paced on the drive and a TO would have benefited the Broncos defense

[OriginalColtsFan]

I would like to hear a professionals break down of that play.

Was it all Flaccos fault ?
Should he have read the defense ? Audible ??
Or was it just a timing play ? just throwing to a spot

I'm real interested to hear their take on it ...If it's all Flaccos fault then he deserves all the criticism

I will says this about Flacco. He is clearly slow to read things....he just doesn't process things fast enough for me. He needs more time than top tier QBs

You mean like elite, 2-time Super Bowl winning QB Eli Manning, for example?

[RavingManiac]

I would like to hear a professionals break down of that play.

Was it all Flaccos fault ?
Should he have read the defense ? Audible ??
Or was it just a timing play ? just throwing to a spot

I'm real interested to hear their take on it ...If it's all Flaccos fault then he deserves all the criticism

I will says this about Flacco. He is clearly slow to read things....he just doesn't process things fast enough for me. He needs more time than top tier QBs

I think it was all flaccos fault other than maybe they should have called a time out. If a coach calls a play, the qb should never just throw it to the receiver no matter what. You got to throw it away if the defense is defending that play well. Dierdorf said it sure looked like flacco made up his mind where he was throwing that ball no matter what before the ball was snapped.