Should Every Semi-Automatic Firearm be Banned?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

It's really not about the power of the bullet but rather the speed at which the rifle can fire the bullet. 3 or 4 bullets in less than a second is just as devastating as 1 .44 magnum bullet. In the end they both kill, and dead is dead.

I have to shake my head at this.
An Ar15 with a 20 round mag will not shoot any faster than the Rem 750 in .243, with a 20 round magazine, that I referenced. The difference in the gas system cyclic rate for these two semiautomatics is in milliseconds. No practical difference.

[Seadog]

There are many people here, that it is obvious to me, know very little about firearms in general, rifles in particular.

If they knew how powerful most hunting rifles are and how easy it is to get large capacity magazines for the, even some bolt action rifles, I simply can't see them not wanting to ban them all.

Don't give them any ideas.
The first "high capacity" magazine I ever owned was a 10 rounder attached to a Mk V Enfield bolt action rifle.

[dsummoner]

Don't ban anything. Just raise taxes on ammo and guns

That might be a consideration as soon as one starts taxing self-identifying progressives, liberals or whatever they are calling themselves this week for exercising their First Amendment rights... along with a per head breading tax of say $100K, paid in advance.

[ivanbalt]

There are many people here, that it is obvious to me, know very little about firearms in general, rifles in particular.

If they knew how powerful most hunting rifles are and how easy it is to get large capacity magazines for them, even some bolt action rifles, I simply can't see them not wanting to ban them all.

Those that want to ban something usually don't understand what they are banning.

[flyboy56]

I have to shake my head at this.
An Ar15 with a 20 round mag will not shoot any faster than the Rem 750 in .243, with a 20 round magazine, that I referenced. The difference in the gas system cyclic rate for these two semiautomatics is in milliseconds. No practical difference.

If I read you right, it is about the speed at which a rifle can fire regardless of how it is able to fire a bullet, whether like Chuck Connors in the Rifle Man with his manual action load and fire gun or an automatic gas system. They both are capable of rapid firing which is still my point about speed of fire and not the power of the bullet.

[slapshot]

As per the latest news, "proposed legislation will be introduced in Congress this year, which will ban the sale, exchange and transportation of ALL assault weapons". Not a retroactive ban.

Of course, the details of what's actually banned is still TBD.


...maybe this latest massacre is the tipping point?

[ivanbalt]

As per the latest news, "proposed legislation will be introduced in Congress this year, which will ban the sale, exchange and transportation of ALL assault weapons". Not a retroactive ban.

Of course, the details of what's actually banned is still TBD.


...maybe this latest massacre is the tipping point?

Will probably look something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_Weapons_Ban

[veritas]

Tax the heck out of it. Treat the firearm industry like the Tobacco industry. That's my solution...

And yet nobody has stopped smoking due to taxes. They've done it for other reasons. These taxes will also not deter criminals or lunatics as previously pointed out.

[veritas]

As per the latest news, "proposed legislation will be introduced in Congress this year, which will ban the sale, exchange and transportation of ALL assault weapons". Not a retroactive ban.

Of course, the details of what's actually banned is still TBD.


...maybe this latest massacre is the tipping point?

No doubt millions of new guns will be bought due to this proposal. It will not do much other than give a huge boost to gun dealers over the next few weeks or months and it may not pass anyway.

[soulflower]

And yet nobody has stopped smoking due to taxes. They've done it for other reasons. These taxes will also not deter criminals or lunatics as previously pointed out.

Tobacco use has declined significantly

Less guns in circulation leads to less guns being used in violent crimes

[dsummoner]

This type of idiotic ban this and ban that crapola should stop when people realize that it is their civil liberties that are being targeted, when they themselves were in no way involved with the underlying incident, by the fascists that wish to view them using their lowest common denominator approach.

[slapshot]

And yet nobody has stopped smoking due to taxes. They've done it for other reasons. These taxes will also not deter criminals or lunatics as previously pointed out.

Incorrect, again.

"According to Patrick Reynolds, Executive Director of the Foundation for a Smokefree America, “there are now 3 million fewer smokers, thanks to the 62 cent Federal tobacco tax hike Obama signed into law on his 16th day in office.” Reynolds knows a little something about smoking and cigarettes: his grandfather is R.J. Reynolds, who founded the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company (which eventually became a wholly owned subsidiary of Reynolds American, Inc.) and invented the packaged cigarette."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphi...p-lighting-up/


But playing devils advocate - Let's say that taxing guns and amo doesn't change the numbers. Let's say that the same number of folks still continue to buy multiple guns, etc. Regardless of that, the added tax revenue that is garnished from all you gun nuts, can go to many things that may help to prevent future gun violence....such as added security in schools, more surveylance camers on our streets...or whatever. The gun owner is paying for it, so I'm 100% behind this. In fact, I've written to my representatives - both state and Federal - to get behind a gun/ammo tax!

I love it!

[dsummoner]

Tobacco use has declined significantly

Less guns in circulation leads to less guns being used in violent crimes

More abortions of the ghetto/barrio/trailer park assault uteri means fewer criminals committing violent crimes in the future. Unlike the right to keep and bear arms, there is no right to keep and bear spawn.

[slapshot]

No doubt millions of new guns will be bought due to this proposal. It will not do much other than give a huge boost to gun dealers over the next few weeks or months and it may not pass anyway.

As long as we tax the hell of of new gun/ammo sales...I can live with it, because gun nuts are gonna do whatever gun nuts do...regardless. Heck, record sales right after Obama got re-elected...so nothing will change for the gun nut.

But let's tax the heck out of them.

[jrob]

Tobacco use has declined significantly

Less guns in circulation leads to less guns being used in violent crimes

2nd statement is absurd. Can you even provide any remotely objective evidence that the number of mass shootings has risen (as you asserted sans evidence in a prior post)?

Or has our fascist media merely replaced the lionization of serial killers (so popular in the 1980s) with the lionization of mass shooters?

[Jeebus]

As per the latest news, "proposed legislation will be introduced in Congress this year, which will ban the sale, exchange and transportation of ALL assault weapons". Not a retroactive ban.

Which will make all the gun grabbers feel good, as if they've done "something."

The 15-20 million semi automatic rifles in the USA will still be out there.

The 100 million revolvers will still be out there (the most commonly police-confiscated weapon of all time).

The 100 million semi-auto pistols will still be out there (used at VA Tech to murder 32 people).

The 50 million high-powered bolt action hunting rifles (like the one used by Charles Whitman to kill 12 people at the Texas Tower in Austin) will still be out there.

But you'll feel better.

I heard there's a law that banned the sale, exchange , and transportation of heroin, cocaine, and meth. How's that working out?

[Jeebus]

As long as we tax the hell of of new gun/ammo sales...I can live with it, because gun nuts are gonna do whatever gun nuts do...regardless. Heck, record sales right after Obama got re-elected...so nothing will change for the gun nut.

But let's tax the heck out of them.

Effectively denying the poor their right to self defense.

Brilliant.

[soulflower]

2nd statement is absurd. Can you even provide any remotely objective evidence that the number of mass shootings has risen (as you asserted sans evidence in a prior post)?

Or has our fascist media merely replaced the lionization of serial killers (so popular in the 1980s) with the lionization of mass shooters?

It's a fact that more access to guns means more gun violence

[jrob]

It's a fact that more access to guns means more gun violence

Still no evidence for this assertion at all. Based on your own specious logic, there should be no drug violence (or drug usage) whatsoever.

[ivanbalt]

As long as we tax the hell of of new gun/ammo sales...I can live with it, because gun nuts are gonna do whatever gun nuts do...regardless. Heck, record sales right after Obama got re-elected...so nothing will change for the gun nut.

But let's tax the heck out of them.

And anti-gun nuts will continue to blame everything on just the gun itself.