Should Every Semi-Automatic Firearm be Banned?

[soulflower]

Jeez, what's with the negativity and loathing of Americans that permeates your ideology? I'd wager that any number of third world countries are far more barbaric. Slavery lives on in many of those places even.

So we're less safe than all other industrialized countries but not as bad as any number of Third-World countries. That's something to be proud of?

[ms maggie]

There are a lot of folks here who have been very vocal about banning semi-automatics.

Please, look at the link to the Remington Model 750 and tell me if this gun should be banned.

Any gun or magazine or whatever the nomenclature is that allows for a shooter to fire lots of bullets at one time; meaning I guess permit guns that are one squeeze/one round fired and only up to a certain number--6?--without reloading.

[RavnFreek]

Gun violence in America is a problem. It isn't something we should be proud of leading the world in...

ugh... There are many factors that play into the fact that the US has a very high gun violence rate relative to the rest of the world. Population is one of them. Don't just stare at numbers given to you by any one side of any point. Take the time to do some research yourself.

[jrob]

So we're less safe than all other industrialized countries but not as bad as any number of Third-World countries. That's something to be proud of?

can you cite a single objective statistic indicating that we're less safe than all other industrialized countries?

Looks like hyperbole and fear-mongering.

[veritas]

Looks like the number of mass shootings, going back to 1976 (when only Pong would have been causing video-game induced psychoses) has been pretty steady.

It's as though our government cheerleaders are glomming onto statistical insignificance to push a disarming of the populace agenda.

That data is not really relevant to this issue, IMO. They looked at killings involving 4 or more victims but don't break out how many involve drug gangs, criminal turf wars, home invasions or police shootouts. I'd like to see the stats on exactly how many of these out of the woodwork mass killings we've had or have been thwarted since 1976. That would tell us more about whether it is an increasing phenomenon.

[dsummoner]

Once one starts playing the statistics game... the same can be applied to the poor of the barrios/ghettos/trailer parks...

[veritas]

So we're less safe than all other industrialized countries but not as bad as any number of Third-World countries. That's something to be proud of?

You are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the UK than in the US. That doesn't mean you are four times more likely to be murdered, just assaulted, held up, etc. I'm not sure that makes the US less safe than the UK.

[jrob]

That data is not really relevant to this issue, IMO. They looked at killings involving 4 or more victims but don't break out how many involve drug gangs, criminal turf wars, home invasions or police shootouts. I'd like to see the stats on exactly how many of these out of the woodwork mass killings we've had or have been thwarted since 1976. That would tell us more about whether it is an increasing phenomenon.

We can say with high likelihood that there are not enough data points for statistical significance. The 'thwarted' part is particularly unreliable.

[ybnormal]

Violence exists everywhere in the world but it's more difficult to kill a bunch of people without guns. It can be done, but no domestic weapon makes it easier to kill en mass...

You just don't get it do you? Do you propose that all innocent and law-abiding citizens be unable to protect themselves while the scum of the earth and mentally unbalanced go around armed to the teeth? Please.

violence control = people control

Example: Think twice about letting your "child" grow up playing violent video games. Some of these "children" cannot differentiate between the virtual world and reality.

[Marshan Man]

can you cite a single objective statistic indicating that we're less safe than all other industrialized countries?

Looks like hyperbole and fear-mongering.

"We're"??? Aren't you in Israel?

[SemiAuto]

Any gun or magazine or whatever the nomenclature is that allows for a shooter to fire lots of bullets at one time; meaning I guess permit guns that are one squeeze/one round fired and only up to a certain number--6?--without reloading.

That would prohibit my Marlin .22 bolt action rifle.

[jrob]

"We're"??? Aren't you in Israel?

Your fellow US policy shill can flounder on his own. Don't help him poke even more holes in his life preserver.

[soulflower]

You are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the UK than in the US. That doesn't mean you are four times more likely to be murdered, just assaulted, held up, etc. I'm not sure that makes the US less safe than the UK.

The US wins the most violent nation award by A LOT

http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/arch...olent-country/

[bmorepunk]

I have to shake my head at this.
An Ar15 with a 20 round mag will not shoot any faster than the Rem 750 in .243, with a 20 round magazine, that I referenced. The difference in the gas system cyclic rate for these two semiautomatics is in milliseconds. No practical difference.

I think you went the wrong way here. A lot of people believe more rounds in shorter time is more rounds on target faster, but this isn't generally true. I'd rather have someone unload a 30-round magazine on auto in my direction instead of single-fired rounds that were aimed decently. Full auto is such a waste unless you're putting down a field of fire for suppression (unless, of course you're firing a Mk 19 then it's total mayhem).

I couldn't fire the 750 as fast and hit targets as well as the AR-15 platform because of recoil management and target re-acquisition time.

[jrob]

The US wins the most violent nation award by A LOT

http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/arch...olent-country/

but the liberal media disparages and slanders observant Jews and Christians, who rank extremely low on such scales. And we know from your own label usage that you're not particularly fond of the values of either.

Thus, wouldn't you have to be proud of such statistics? It looks like you prefer to a) promote violence as a 'keeping it real' ideology and b) use the ramifications to rationalize gun control policy.

[Marshan Man]

You just don't get it do you? Do you propose that all innocent and law-abiding citizens be unable to protect themselves while the ...mentally unbalanced go around armed to the teeth? Please.

What are you complaining about...? You'll get to keep your guns either way...

[atomic]

Just ban all guns. If you want to hunt get a bow. Problem solved. And then lets move on to the next problem that is hurting this country.

[jrob]

What are you complaining about...? You'll get to keep your guns either way...

Do you admire the non-violent tendencies of orthodox Jews?

Why do you suppose they are not very violent?

[MDvet]

The US wins the most violent nation award by A LOT

http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/arch...olent-country/

If you feel unsafe, why don't move to another nation.

Another way to look at it is US has many locations with a concentration of violence. How many gun related crimes in Baltimore City vs Baltimore County.

[atomic]

You are four times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the UK than in the US. That doesn't mean you are four times more likely to be murdered, just assaulted, held up, etc. I'm not sure that makes the US less safe than the UK.

I am claiming BS on this. I have been to the UK. It is obviously safer. You don't hear the constant police sirens and gun shots that you hear in the US.