Should the Ravens fire Harbaugh at the end of the season?

[Brohan]

So for all of those who want him fired, who are you going to replace him with?

You saying management guru Steve Biscotti does't have a succession plan????

He should lose his blue blazer and loafers immediately if he doesn't!

[OriginalColtsFan]

That's certainly the owners prerogative. It is HIS team. And he most certainly thought it through. Bisciott wanted to fire Cameron a year and a half ago and didn't at the insistence of Harbaugh. Finally, he had enough. No owner just signs checks and watches games without some sort of emotional involvement. They wouldn't be human if they did. Frankly, I don't know how Bisciotti lasted this long watching Cameron. Harbaugh's hanging onto his friend Cam will be his undoing. Harbaugh's days are numbered in Baltimore.

^^^This.

[OriginalColtsFan]

I think Harbaugh has control...the players haven't been yapping about a lot of thinks and if they were Mikey would be there to blow them out of proportion....

what makes you think he's lost control? Cameron? Coordinators are hired and fired in the middle of the season...it's happened here before...had cameron been allowed to get away with his insubordination, then you might have something to back your case...clearing the firing with the owner makes sense as the owner is paying the coordinators, not Harbaugh....people act like this is a large corporation..it's not....10 coaches, 60 players and a doxen of so support staff...anyone who thinks Biscotti ought not to be involved is kidding themselves...every owner is involved in those decisions....

Want to fire Harbaugh because McKinnie is not playing? Seems like a solid decision based on McKinnie's inability to keep his weight down and do little more than go through the motions (let's face it..he is esentially working for free since his paycheck is going to pay his debts...he's in the "why bother mode').


Want to fire Harbaugh because the team is decimated by injuries? That would make sense, he's working them too hard during the week and they have nothing left on Sunday...you know better than that....I think he's done a pretty good job of holding things together considering what has happened on the defensive side of the ball...4 starters from opening day remain on the field....

What to fire Harbaugh because the O/L sucks? Oher seems to have taken a step back, Reid is getting his first meaningful playing time, Birk is out of gas, Yanda is hurt, Williams is almost a zero, Osemele is a rookie...they have no blocking tight end with Dickson out....

I know you want him fired, but after this year, where things could have gone south earlier, why? take a look around the league and find a coach who could have done better under the circumstances....there aren't any...the closest you might find is Tomlin...

they make the playoffs for the 5th year in a row and frankly, given the injuries and weaknesses, they shouldn't be there, but Harbaugh has them there...If this were a 14 win team playing way below it's potential...then there is an issue. He's not the GM, he doesn't run the draft and he certainly doesn't draw up contracts....

I'd fire Harbaugh because:

1. He has a horrible track record with his coordinators.
2. He does nothing discernibly constructive during games on the sideline.
3. He has shown no improvement over the course of 5 years when it comes to fixing problems. He repeats the same problems, and the same "solutions" (i.e. we need to fix/we're working on fixing/we're going to fix", etc.) yet keeps having the same problems over and over again. The Ravens are at the top of the most penalized teams in the NFL. That shows an undisciplined nature, and that's coaching. Harbaugh ROUTINELY gets out coached WAY more than he ever outcoaches anyone else.

To me, this all adds up to a bad head coach.

Your mileage may, of course, differ. As may your opinion.

[ivanbalt]

I'd fire Harbaugh because:

1. He has a horrible track record with his coordinators.
2. He does nothing discernibly constructive during games on the sideline.
3. He has shown no improvement over the course of 5 years.

Just because we're racking up penalties this year like Oakland, doesn't mean we need to fire coaches like Oakland.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Just because we're racking up penalties this year like Oakland, doesn't mean we need to fire coaches like Oakland.

1. That's your opinion.
2. That's not the ONLY problem, obviously, with this team.
3. If you were just joking, then my bad. If not...not.

[RIKMAN]

Absolutely- no one should be safe
Didn't we get rid of Trent Dilfer after he "managed" a Super Bowl win????

What's Elvis Grbac doing? Perhaps he'd like the job?

Seriously, and speaking of Dilfer, Joe Flacco could learn a few things from Trent!!!!

[ivanbalt]

1. That's your opinion.
2. That's not the ONLY problem, obviously, with this team.
3. If you were just joking, then my bad. If not...not.

Making a joke since I heard the stat that the Ravens are #2 in penalties.

But I don't think Harbaugh should be fired at the end of this season. The Offense has become horrendous, but there are so many injuries on defense. He still deserves a 2013.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Making a joke since I heard the stat that the Ravens are #2 in penalties.

But I don't think Harbaugh should be fired at the end of this season. The Offense has become horrendous, but there are so many injuries on defense. He still deserves a 2013.

Cool on the humor (I thought that's what was goin down). We do disagree on what should happen with Harbaugh, but that's n/p.

[jessup270]

Seems like every NFL team has a ton of starting players injured.

What does the NFL think will happen to the injury list, when the schedule is increased to 18 games?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Seems like every NFL team has a ton of starting players injured.

What does the NFL think will happen to the injury list, when the schedule is increased to 18 games?

Good point.

[can you hear me now!]

I'd fire Harbaugh because:

1. He has a horrible track record with his coordinators.
2. He does nothing discernibly constructive during games on the sideline.
3. He has shown no improvement over the course of 5 years when it comes to fixing problems. He repeats the same problems, and the same "solutions" (i.e. we need to fix/we're working on fixing/we're going to fix", etc.) yet keeps having the same problems over and over again. The Ravens are at the top of the most penalized teams in the NFL. That shows an undisciplined nature, and that's coaching. Harbaugh ROUTINELY gets out coached WAY more than he ever outcoaches anyone else.

To me, this all adds up to a bad head coach.

Your mileage may, of course, differ. As may your opinion.

what do you consider a horrible track record? not quite following this line of thinking...they've fired one coordinator, let one walk (Mattison) and one is a head coach (Pagano)...is that really a bad track record?

I didn't realize you were on the sidelines for every game, so I'll defer to you on that one. you might want to provide some insight and may be even some proof about this assertion...the man only wains about 70% of the time...

would you prefer a coach who throws his players and staff under the bus? he stands up there and tells the truth (as boring or repetitive as it sounds). Would you prefer that he said "we are fine, this was just a blip and any minute I'll unleach hell)....

penalties..hmmm..let's see...2008, 27th most penalized with 6.5 penalties per game (down from 6.7 in 2007) , 2009 28th with 6.9, 2010 10th!! with 5.4, 2011 8th! with 5.4!-- that right there shows a total a lack of discipline...to move into the category of being one of the least penalized is unacceptable...this year they are 29th, so some regression but to say they lack discipline is just slightly out of line with reality...if you really want to drill down, you need to look at each penalty by type....

using your line of thinking, they should have been a 14-16 win team every year during his tenure since he is so badly outcoached...9-7, 11-5, 12-4, 12-4 shows he's been terribly outcoached...hell, the decision to make Evans drop the ball in NE was a stroke of genious by Belichick...that's the kind of mind games/outcoaching that is sorely needed here...

your perceptions don't match the reality....and as always, we'll agree to disagree...but try to support you position with some type of facts....

[OriginalColtsFan]

what do you consider a horrible track record? not quite following this line of thinking...they've fired one coordinator, let one walk (Mattison) and one is a head coach (Pagano)...is that really a bad track record?

1. Cameron totally sucked. And was ONLY there because Harbaugh advocated for him.
2. Mattison sucked and was politely asked to leave.
3. Rossburg sucks, IMO.
4. Moeller sucks, IMO.
5. Pees sucks, IMO.
6. Hoestler is poor, IMO.

That's the track record to which I'm referring. And yes, in a 5 year career, I'd say that's about as bad as it gets.

[atomic]

How is Harbaugh being fired going to help the team. He doesn't coach the offense and he doesn't coach the defense. Usually a head coach will be either an offensive or defensive expert. Harbaugh is neither. You can get a new offensvie and defensive coordinator next year and the team could improve.

But perhaps it isn't the coach but it is the players.. Last year they seemed to avoid a lot of injuries. this year there are a ton. they lost some guys on defense and a top guard during the offseason. Draft picks haven't panned out.

[baltimoreron]

How is Harbaugh being fired going to help the team. He doesn't coach the offense and he doesn't coach the defense. Usually a head coach will be either an offensive or defensive expert. Harbaugh is neither. You can get a new offensvie and defensive coordinator next year and the team could improve.

But perhaps it isn't the coach but it is the players.. Last year they seemed to avoid a lot of injuries. this year there are a ton. they lost some guys on defense and a top guard during the offseason. Draft picks haven't panned out.

Spot on!

Ozzie and Eric deserve some of the blame for the product on the field. No one is to blame for the injuries.

[OriginalColtsFan]

How is Harbaugh being fired going to help the team. He doesn't coach the offense and he doesn't coach the defense. Usually a head coach will be either an offensive or defensive expert. Harbaugh is neither. You can get a new offensvie and defensive coordinator next year and the team could improve.

But perhaps it isn't the coach but it is the players.. Last year they seemed to avoid a lot of injuries. this year there are a ton. they lost some guys on defense and a top guard during the offseason. Draft picks haven't panned out.

How much damage do you think Harbaugh did singlehandedly by insisting on re-signing Cam Cameron when just about everyone else in the civilized world KNEW it was a mistake? He wasted an entire year; damaged the relationship with Joe Flacco; and jeopardized the post season by requiring that Cameron be canned with only 3 weeks left in the season. How do you ever justify that? And that's just ONE example of his dysfunction. Look at the situation with McKinnie. Look at what happened to Barnes. These ALL relate back to no one other than Harbaugh himself. He's as arrogant and stubborn and dysfunctional as Cameron ever was. And he's the head coach. A head coach who hurts the team, vs LEADING the team, does not deserve millions of dollars to keep hurting the very team he's supposed to be leading.

[johnpolitics]

The next coach (or quarterback) always looks better than the current one.

[can you hear me now!]

1. Cameron totally sucked. And was ONLY there because Harbaugh advocated for him.
2. Mattison sucked and was politely asked to leave.
3. Rossburg sucks, IMO.
4. Moeller sucks, IMO.
5. Pees sucks, IMO.
6. Hoestler is poor, IMO.

That's the track record to which I'm referring. And yes, in a 5 year career, I'd say that's about as bad as it gets.

I am will not argue about cameron...

Pees is operating with one arm tied behind his back...really, who do you think can do better with this decimated defense? you are being unreasonable...

rossburg..really? what, not enough Kick Off returns for TDs? not enough touchbacks? not tracking here....special team breakdowns are few...the redskins game comes to minds, as does rossburg's running on the field to trip considine on a fake...

moeller has got to go...

hoestler...I guess Smith's improvement does not count...otherwise, he hasn't had much to work with....

[can you hear me now!]

Look at the situation with McKinnie. Look at what happened to Barnes. .

so on one hand you say he's lost control, but on the other hand you complain when he deals with discipline and lack of professionalism issues...hmmmmm...sounds like a no win to me...which is exactly how most people operate around here...."the I can do better syndrome".....

[OriginalColtsFan]

@c.y.h.m.n.

We're done, okay? Thanks.

[can you hear me now!]

@c.y.h.m.n.

We're done, okay? Thanks.

sure....I'm ok with that...I did say agree to disagree....are you ok with that?....