Is Flacco Inconsistent?

[burnell]

Flacco is a 2nd stringer on all the NFL Playoff teams. He was terrible this year vs Kansas City, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver, and Dallas. I'd like to find a site that had his stats per quarter. I added them up for San diego and Denver. His 1st half stats vs SD was 8-18, for 44 yards; vs Denver 8-18, for 77 yards, vs KC he was 6-16 for 51 yards and was sacked twice. Looking over th eplay by plays, what really jumps out is how often Flacco completes passes on 3rd downs, SHORT of the 1st down marker, leading to a punt. This explains why the Ravens LEAD the NFl in 3 and outs. Folding chair Flacco needs to go.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Flacco is a 2nd stringer on all the NFL Playoff teams. He was terrible this year vs Kansas City, San Diego, Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver, and Dallas. I'd like to find a site that had his stats per quarter. I added them up for San diego and Denver. His 1st half stats vs SD was 8-18, for 44 yards; vs Denver 8-18, for 77 yards, vs KC he was 6-16 for 51 yards and was sacked twice. Looking over th eplay by plays, what really jumps out is how often Flacco completes passes on 3rd downs, SHORT of the 1st down marker, leading to a punt. This explains why the Ravens LEAD the NFl in 3 and outs. Folding chair Flacco needs to go.

LOL. Great second post.

[danthefan]

I believe the Ravens gave up 9 points a game the Super Bowl year. I think we could go all the way with Joe and that defense.

[CajunRaven]

Well, yeah, he's been inconsistent, but I'm not ready to give up on him. The O line sucks big time this year.

Franchise him next year, get him some decent blocking and someone who will call plays that work to Joe's strengths, then decide at the end of next year whether to give him the big contract. I agree they should look for a decent back up who could push him some.

But looking at the thread regarding the coaches film, it's hard to pile on Joe much. How many QBs are going to succeed when the Dline arrives in the back field about the same time the ball does.

[OriginalColtsFan]

Well, yeah, he's been inconsistent, but I'm not ready to give up on him. The O line sucks big time this year.

Franchise him next year, get him some decent blocking and someone who will call plays that work to Joe's strengths, then decide at the end of next year whether to give him the big contract. I agree they should look for a decent back up who could push him some.

But looking at the thread regarding the coaches film, it's hard to pile on Joe much. How many QBs are going to succeed when the Dline arrives in the back field about the same time the ball does.

None.

[TDL]

Well, yeah, he's been inconsistent, but I'm not ready to give up on him. The O line sucks big time this year.

Franchise him next year, get him some decent blocking and someone who will call plays that work to Joe's strengths, then decide at the end of next year whether to give him the big contract. I agree they should look for a decent back up who could push him some.

But looking at the thread regarding the coaches film, it's hard to pile on Joe much. How many QBs are going to succeed when the Dline arrives in the back field about the same time the ball does.

Could you explain how they're going to go about that?

After they tag Flacco they are going to be pressed up against the cap and will only have enough space to sign their draft picks and go about their yearly scrounging for has beens.

Fixing the OL and the Defense will have to be multiple year projects since their only option is going to be through the draft or until they can get out from under some of these past contractual mistakes.What's going to happen is that they will tag Flacco and next offseason when all their competitors are upgrading their teams through FA we're going to be sitting here *****ing and moaning about how the Ravens aren't doing anything.Then next season we'll see the same thing where a handful of overpaid players aren't producing because the remainder of the roster will be filled with mediocrity because that's all they'll be able to afford.What needs to be done is that they have to cut the dead wood from the roster and end the legacy contracts once and for all.It's going to take time to rebuild, but we may as well be resigned to that.On field production should dictate your salary and nothing else.A player doesn't produce, they don't get rewarded with a fat contract, and they are free to hit the market and find some other sucker team to pay them.

First law of holes,"If you find yourself in a hole,stop digging".

[OriginalColtsFan]

Could you explain how they're going to go about that?

After they tag Flacco they are going to be pressed up against the cap and will only have enough space to sign their draft picks and go about their yearly scrounging for has beens.

Fixing the OL and the Defense will have to be multiple year projects since their only option is going to be through the draft or until they can get out from under some of these past contractual mistakes.What's going to happen is that they will tag Flacco and next offseason when all their competitors are upgrading their teams through FA we're going to be sitting here *****ing and moaning about how the Ravens aren't doing anything.Then next season we'll see the same thing where a handful of overpaid players aren't producing because the remainder of the roster will be filled with mediocrity because that's all they'll be able to afford.What needs to be done is that they have to cut the dead wood from the roster and end the legacy contracts once and for all.It's going to take time to rebuild, but we may as well be resigned to that.On field production should dictate your salary and nothing else.A player doesn't produce, they don't get rewarded with a fat contract, and they are free to hit the market and find some other sucker team to pay them.

First law of holes,"If you find yourself in a hole,stop digging".

IIRC, you've been railing against the lousy O-line, as have I, for years now. I can understand the situation next year because they have to either sign Joe to a long term contract (and save around $6M in cap space...$8M vs $14M), or tag him ($14M). But this isn't something that's just popped up. They've failed to fix the O-line LONG BEFORE Joe's contract issue surfaced. Correct, or not?

[TDL]

IIRC, you've been railing against the lousy O-line, as have I, for years now. I can understand the situation next year because they have to either sign Joe to a long term contract (and save around $6M in cap space...$8M vs $14M), or tag him ($14M). But this isn't something that's just popped up. They've failed to fix the O-line LONG BEFORE Joe's contract issue surfaced. Correct, or not?

You're absolutely correct.I wanted them to keep Gaither around but in hindsight I was probably off on that one.After last season I wanted them to cut ties with McKinnie and Birk as well and invest that money into younger players with an upside.These last few years they have invested a couple number one's in the OL but unfortunately one of them is lining up in NO instead of Baltimore.They've invested a number of high picks along the OL but the Adam Terrys have finally caught up to them.

The front seven on Defense has been a major concern of mine as well.Last time they invested a number one pick in the front seven on Defense was for Haloti Ngata and the last LB chosen in the first round was Terrel Suggs.I was opposed to them bringing Ray back and didn't like the contracts they offered to Foxworth,Reed,Suggs and Ngata.The way they went about many of them was a mistake,IMO.Multiple year franchise tags and then the market sets a higher value to the long term deals they ended up signing seemed counter productive.

[OriginalColtsFan]

You're absolutely correct.I wanted them to keep Gaither around but in hindsight I was probably off on that one.After last season I wanted them to cut ties with McKinnie and Birk as well and invest that money into younger players with an upside.These last few years they have invested a couple number one's in the OL but unfortunately one of them is lining up in NO instead of Baltimore.They've invested a number of high picks along the OL but the Adam Terrys have finally caught up to them.

The front seven on Defense has been a major concern of mine as well.Last time they invested a number one pick in the front seven on Defense was for Haloti Ngata and the last LB chosen in the first round was Terrel Suggs.I was opposed to them bringing Ray back and didn't like the contracts they offered to Foxworth,Reed,Suggs and Ngata.The way they went about many of them was a mistake,IMO.Multiple year franchise tags and then the market sets a higher value to the long term deals they ended up signing seemed counter productive.

That's what I thought. You and I really do agree pretty much across the board -- O-line AND D-line. What a mess they've made.

[SugarRay52]

Now people want Tebow or Mark Sanchez over Joe, some clown named Dave from Salisbury was on 105.7 the fan and complained about Joe's throwing skills yet was lobbying for Tebow? Has he seen Tebow throw? The guy is a winner but come on. Is it Sunday yet so this nightmare week can end?

[OriginalColtsFan]

Now people want Tebow or Mark Sanchez over Joe, some clown named Dave from Salisbury was on 105.7 the fan and complained about Joe's throwing skills yet was lobbying for Tebow? Has he seen Tebow throw? The guy is a winner but come on. Is it Sunday yet so this nightmare week can end?

One can only hope.

[SugarRay52]

Good article from Clark Judge about Joe:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...y-resigning-qb

Key quotes from the article:

"Flacco isn't the problem," said an AFC coordinator. "That offense is built on a lot of inflexibility."

"The next three weeks are going to determine a lot," said one GM. "It's all about negotiations. I'm sure the Ravens are hoping for the better because they don't mind paying him. The biggest difference in Joe this year from years before is that the Ravens are not a top defense, and when that happens Joe struggles. He can't carry the team because he's not consistent enough. But they're going to sign him. They have to."

[RavingManiac]

Good article from Clark Judge about Joe:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...y-resigning-qb

Key quotes from the article:

"Flacco isn't the problem," said an AFC coordinator. "That offense is built on a lot of inflexibility."

"The next three weeks are going to determine a lot," said one GM. "It's all about negotiations. I'm sure the Ravens are hoping for the better because they don't mind paying him. The biggest difference in Joe this year from years before is that the Ravens are not a top defense, and when that happens Joe struggles. He can't carry the team because he's not consistent enough. But they're going to sign him. They have to."

He is just too inconsistent in my book. The man can single handedly win a game for us, such as in Pittsburgh, with like a minute and a half to go from his own eight yard line, drive the length of the field and throw the winning touchdown pass. He does the same thing in New England in the playoffs last year. But then there is the Chiefs game this year. Then there is the Chargers game and of course the Broncos game. What do you do? If the reason Flacco plays bad is because the O-line stinks, why does he have great games such as the ones I mentioned earlier? Its the same o-line. If it's Cam, why has Flacco played elite games at home and just lays an egg on the road? (Yes, OCF we know you see the differences in the play calling between away and home games but you just don't want to tell us). You never know which Flacco is going to show up. This week, he may very well have an "elite" game and light it up. But then, all the Flacco supporters have said the reason Flacco sucked last week was because they are still using Cam's playbook and they will continue to use his play book for the rest of the season. So how could he possibly have a great game vs the G-men using Cam's play book?

[Ravensoffensivegenius]

Flacco’s 1st half stats vs the Chargers were 8-18 (below 50%), 44 yards.
His 1st half stats vs the Broncos were 8-18, 77 yards (below 50%), 1 fumble, i int.
game stats vs Cheifs were 13-27 (below 50%) for 187, 1 int.
Vs Texans 21-43 (below 50%) for 147, 2 ints (one a pick 6) and one sack for a saftey
vs Steelers in Balt 16-34, 188 yds, 1 int, 1 fumble
The Raven victories vs the Steelers, Chargers, and Cowboys were due to 3 fluke plays, a punt return, a 4th and 29 conversion, and a kick return. These were not won due to magnificent play of the QB.
The Steelers, Redskins, and Broncos losses can each be attributed to huge game changing errors by Flacco...3 fumbles, 3 ints with a pick 6.
I conclude: Flacco is a 2nd string QB on all the other NFL playoff teams.

I drink the purple juice but Flaccid just hit a ceiling that I believe he can't overcome. The NFL QB position requires dynamic playmakers who can throw, read defenses, and improvise. Joe has been exposed due the demise of their defense. He is not capable of carrying a team.

[West Chester Raven]

Now people want Tebow or Mark Sanchez over Joe, some clown named Dave from Salisbury was on 105.7 the fan and complained about Joe's throwing skills yet was lobbying for Tebow? Has he seen Tebow throw? The guy is a winner but come on. Is it Sunday yet so this nightmare week can end?

Not even I want those two scrubs over Joe! That is insane. We're better off.