Laroche vs. a draft pick

[hector]

To me, this would be the year that you have to sacrifice.
A 25th pick has value, but it would make more sense for them to attack the international market harder to get what they need.

The last time I looked, Venuzuela was part of the international market. There must be some respectable DH there.

[Far from home]

Billy Rowell, Brandon Snyder, Matt Hobgood, Mike Paradis, Adam Loewen, and Beau Hale say HI

i know im missing a few

So, what you're saying is that some of their picks do well, and some of their picks fail?
Wow, how perceptive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_draft_picks

and look at this list of stinkers -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_draft_picks

another example of 1st round dominance -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_draft_picks

in fact, this is the only team that I immediately searched (who has been competitive) that I would say knows what they are doing -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...nd_draft_picks

[Far from home]

The last time I looked, Venuzuela was part of the international market. There must be some respectable DH there.

Vlad is a bit old to fit in the category I'm referring to.

[bmore_ken]

Billy Rowell, Brandon Snyder, Matt Hobgood, Mike Paradis, Adam Loewen, and Beau Hale say HI

i know im missing a few

Those are quite a few drafts ago. I'm talking about recent draft activity

[bmore_ken]

Still too early on Bundy/Machado although Machado was an instant Orioles success since he could actually field at 3rd. Markakis and Weiters have been successful no doubt. Weiters didn't live up to the hype, but most catchers don't hit the triple crown every year.

But come on, Orioles didn't have much to show for 14 years of suck.

That doesn't diminish what I posted. An O's draft pick isn't an automatic bust which was the point I was making and documented

[weird-O]

The last time I looked, Venuzuela was part of the international market. There must be some respectable DH there.

we're still waiting for you to provide a post where anyone said they were happy the O's were using Betemit, Johnson & Thome as the DH.

[reg_indy]

Billy Rowell, Brandon Snyder, Matt Hobgood, Mike Paradis, Adam Loewen, and Beau Hale say HI

i know im missing a few

What's the typical hit vs. miss ratio for MLB teams?

2 draft busts for every draft success? Three?

[hector]

we're still waiting for you to provide a post where anyone said they were happy the O's were using Betemit, Johnson & Thome as the DH.

Sorry to keep you waiting. The basis for my statement is as follows:

Prior to the start of last season, the O's decided not to re-sign Vlad but instead to go with DH's who could also play in the field. They then signed Nick Johnson and Wilson Betemit and didn't sign Vlad. I criticized that decision at the time because the main criteria for a designated hitter is that they can actually hit and Vlad was a much better hitter than either Johnson or Betemit.

My comments in support of Vlad were pretty universally criticized by our fellow and lady posters on this board. That's the basis for my conclusion that others preferred having Johnson and Betemit rather than Vlad.

Moving forward to July 2012, O's brass recognized the foolishness of their pre-season decision and signed Jim Thome, a fulltime DH that couldn't play in the field. Too bad the brass didn't listen back in March when I presented them the best path forward and they went another way.

[reg_indy]

Sorry to keep you waiting. The basis for my statement is as follows:

Prior to the start of last season, the O's decided not to re-sign Vlad but instead to go with DH's who could also play in the field. They then signed Nick Johnson and Wilson Betemit and didn't sign Vlad. I criticized that decision at the time because the main criteria for a designated hitter is that they can actually hit and Vlad was a much better hitter than either Johnson or Betemit.

My comments in support of Vlad were pretty universally criticized by our fellow and lady posters on this board. That's the basis for my conclusion that others preferred having Johnson and Betemit rather than Vlad.

Moving forward to July 2012, O's brass recognized the foolishness of their pre-season decision and signed Jim Thome, a fulltime DH that couldn't play in the field. Too bad the brass didn't listen back in March when I presented them the best path forward and they went another way.

What were Vlad's contract demands versus the other options?

[bmore_ken]

What were Vlad's contract demands versus the other options?

Buster Olney tweeted today that the Orioles are only willing to sign Vladimir Guerrero if he “puts himself on a platter.” In that, Olney is thinking a one-year, $2 million contract. This in contrast to the reported $8 millon a year that Guerrero was reportedly seeking earlier this offseason.

PDATE: Rosenthal says the Orioles have made an offer to Guerrero. He thinks it could be in the $3-5 million range. Seems high given that he agrees with me that there really is nowhere else for Guerrero to go.



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...e-running-out/

[weird-O]

My comments in support of Vlad were pretty universally criticized by our fellow and lady posters on this board. That's the basis for my conclusion that others preferred having Johnson and Betemit rather than Vlad.

as I suspected. no one every posted that they were happy to have Johnson/Betemit/Thome. they just didn't want VG, that doesn't automatically mean they are happy with the alternatives the team selected. you made that incorrect assumption.

Moving forward to July 2012, O's brass recognized the foolishness of their pre-season decision and signed Jim Thome, a fulltime DH that couldn't play in the field. Too bad the brass didn't listen back in March when I presented them the best path forward and they went another way.

this is revisionist history and it's not accurate either. they didn't "sign" Thome. they traded for him. and they did that because the other 2 guys went on the DL and they needed a warm body. Thome was the best available player. he proved that with some clutch hitting in Sept.

[hector]

Buster Olney tweeted today that the Orioles are only willing to sign Vladimir Guerrero if he “puts himself on a platter.” In that, Olney is thinking a one-year, $2 million contract. This in contrast to the reported $8 millon a year that Guerrero was reportedly seeking earlier this offseason.

PDATE: Rosenthal says the Orioles have made an offer to Guerrero. He thinks it could be in the $3-5 million range. Seems high given that he agrees with me that there really is nowhere else for Guerrero to go.



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...e-running-out/

Ken,

The cite in your post was from January 2011. The current discussion is about the O's decision not to sign Vlad for 2012.

Happy holidays to you and your family.

Hector the Predictor

[Far from home]

Ken,

The cite in your post was from January 2011. The current discussion is about the O's decision not to sign Vlad for 2012.

Happy holidays to you and your family.

Hector the Predictor

No, the discussion is about LaRoche vs. the loss of a draft pick.
The Vlad conversation is dead.

[hector]

No, the discussion is about LaRoche vs. the loss of a draft pick.
The Vlad conversation is dead.

The topic of discussion between Ken and me is evident from a little simple reading.

You must indeed be "far from home" to not have recognized it.

Have a happy holiday.

[weird-O]

The topic of discussion between Ken and me is evident from a little simple reading.

You must indeed be "far from home" to not have recognized it.

Have a happy holiday.

the topic of discussion for this thread is equally evident from a little simple reading. yet you are demonstrating that simple reading is beyond your grasp, as evidenced by the fact that you continue to obsessively dwell on a topic that is unrelated to that which the thread was created to explore.

[Far from home]

the topic of discussion for this thread is equally evident from a little simple reading. yet you are demonstrating that simple reading is beyond your grasp, as evidenced by the fact that you continue to obsessively dwell on a topic that is unrelated to that which the thread was created to explore.

At any rate, DD doesn't seem to be (at this point), budging from his positions.

I love his ability to rate and figure out intelligent risks, but I'm curious where he is at as far as being willing to go after a FA.
The thing I wonder is if the contract to AJ is more of an indication rather than the way he's gone after players in this market. Most of the guys available have serious baggage, or just don't fit the needs of the O's - so this may be a reason he's holding off.
I hope he's able to resign Saunders and get one more starter.

[atomic]

At any rate, DD doesn't seem to be (at this point), budging from his positions.

I love his ability to rate and figure out intelligent risks, but I'm curious where he is at as far as being willing to go after a FA.
The thing I wonder is if the contract to AJ is more of an indication rather than the way he's gone after players in this market. Most of the guys available have serious baggage, or just don't fit the needs of the O's - so this may be a reason he's holding off.
I hope he's able to resign Saunders and get one more starter.

I think it is more that Peter Angelos is willing to pay big salaries of current players that he respects like Markakis and Adam Jones and he is unwilling to put money out on guys he doesn't know. So perpahs Weiters will stay with the team.

[weird-O]

At any rate, DD doesn't seem to be (at this point), budging from his positions.

I love his ability to rate and figure out intelligent risks, but I'm curious where he is at as far as being willing to go after a FA.
The thing I wonder is if the contract to AJ is more of an indication rather than the way he's gone after players in this market. Most of the guys available have serious baggage, or just don't fit the needs of the O's - so this may be a reason he's holding off.
I hope he's able to resign Saunders and get one more starter.

an article from today mentioned that Saunders is looking for a 4 yr deal. that isn't going to happen in Baltimore. if that's his starting request, and he's willing to move from that demand, there may be hope. given the money 4th-5th starters are getting, signing him for $10M/yr is a bargain for him.

the O's could be flush with pitching. but they could also be 2 pitchers shy of a full rotation. there are some exciting possibilities in guys like Tillman and Steve Johnson.

[weird-O]

I think it is more that Peter Angelos is willing to pay big salaries of current players that he respects like Markakis and Adam Jones and he is unwilling to put money out on guys he doesn't know. So perpahs Weiters will stay with the team.

that does seem to be the case. PGA has no problem opening the wallet for players they've developed, or traded for at a young age.

great defensive catchers who also provide reliable offense are the most rare commodity in the sport. keeping him should be a very high priority. a quick look says he's a FA in 2016. so there's time. but smart teams lock up their young talent.

[weird-O]

I heard Jim Duquette talking about this very subject. he said the 23rd overall draft pick yields very good talent. and he questions whether Laroche is worth that much.

as an aside, that's now the 3rd version of what the O's 1st round draft choice is. I've heard that it's the 23rd, 24th & 25th. do I hear 22nd?