Laroche vs. a draft pick

[Ravens2006]

I'm all for the Orioles adding better players... but Adam LaRoche isn't the kind of guy I give up a first round pick for. 33 year-old coming off more or less a career best year.

[Far from home]

an article from today mentioned that Saunders is looking for a 4 yr deal. that isn't going to happen in Baltimore. if that's his starting request, and he's willing to move from that demand, there may be hope. given the money 4th-5th starters are getting, signing him for $10M/yr is a bargain for him.

the O's could be flush with pitching. but they could also be 2 pitchers shy of a full rotation. there are some exciting possibilities in guys like Tillman and Steve Johnson.

I think they need to pick up two dependable starters, because the guys they currently have are huge question marks.
Saunders, imo, is worth at least a 3 year contract with a 4th, mutual option year. He's averaged over 180 innings since his first full season as a starter in 2008. Also, his pitching style lends to longevity, because he works off of location and mixing pitches rather than overpowering batters. He also rises to the occasion.
I think you give him 8-9 guaranteed, with incentives that push him up to 12 mil per season on things such as innings, ERA, WHIP....this would allow the O's to give him great security with some insulation for poor performance - which I don't see happening from him.

[hector]

the topic of discussion for this thread is equally evident from a little simple reading. yet you are demonstrating that simple reading is beyond your grasp, as evidenced by the fact that you continue to obsessively dwell on a topic that is unrelated to that which the thread was created to explore.

Weirdo-O, are you drunk today or is this just an excessively weird day for you? In one post, you say Ken and I shouldn't trade comments on Impaler because the topic of the thread is AR. Then three posts later, you start talking about Joe Saunders. Consistency of thought is clearly not one of your strengths.

Anyway, have a great holiday. Here's my gift to you - the O's go 84-78 in 2013 and miss the playoffs.

[weird-O]

Weirdo-O, are you drunk today or is this just an excessively weird day for you? In one post, you say Ken and I shouldn't trade comments on Impaler because the topic of the thread is AR. Then three posts later, you start talking about Joe Saunders. Consistency of thought is clearly not one of your strengths.

Anyway, have a great holiday. Here's my gift to you - the O's go 84-78 in 2013 and miss the playoffs.

it's so sad to watch you try, and fail, to keep up with the discussion.

[joe cool]

Markakis, Weiters, Bundy , and Machado say HI

Wieters and Markakis maybe, but Bundy and Machado??


You guys are unreal, here you have a young kid in Machado that played in a hand full of games towards the end of the season and another player that hasn’t played 1 game in MLB yet and you want to add him to a list of successful Orioles minor leaguers.


How many past minor leaguers have the O's had who came in and made a great splash right away, had many on here talking about the next great thing to hit MLB, only to watch those same players a short time later crash and burn??

There have been quite a few and I suggest before you put these two on any “Success” list you give them some time to actually prove themselves for a decent amount of time.


You guys still haven’t changed, you just love to jump the gun on any O’s player that shows any sign of success, MLB or minors, and you are quick to put them in the top echelon of the league players and some O’s pedestal, you are too funny but sad at the same time!!

[Far from home]

Wieters and Markakis maybe, but Bundy and Machado??


You guys are unreal, here you have a young kid in Machado that played in a hand full of games towards the end of the season and another player that hasn’t played 1 game in MLB yet and you want to add him to a list of successful Orioles minor leaguers.


How many past minor leaguers have the O's had who came in and made a great splash right away, had many on here talking about the next great thing to hit MLB, only to watch those same players a short time later crash and burn??

There have been quite a few and I suggest before you put these two on any “Success” list you give them some time to actually prove themselves for a decent amount of time.


You guys still haven’t changed, you just love to jump the gun on any O’s player that shows any sign of success, MLB or minors, and you are quick to put them in the top echelon of the league players and some O’s pedestal, you are too funny but sad at the same time!!

Look at the number of successful top picks by the Yanks over the last 15 years, and compare to the O's.
Machado, in limited time, had a 1.3 WAR, and was a dominant fielder. His bat was solid.
If he can stay healthy, watch him this year.

[Softbank Orioles]

Look at the number of successful top picks by the Yanks over the last 15 years, and compare to the O's.
Machado, in limited time, had a 1.3 WAR, and was a dominant fielder. His bat was solid.
If he can stay healthy, watch him this year.

It's not about if the Orioles are better than drafting than other teams or not. While, that's relevant in some small way, the main point is that the draft is a crap shoot with something like a 10% success rate...while we know exactly what LaRoche is.

Plus Adam can help right now, instead of in 2016.

[durango46]

Wieters and Markakis maybe, but Bundy and Machado??


You guys are unreal, here you have a young kid in Machado that played in a hand full of games towards the end of the season and another player that hasn’t played 1 game in MLB yet and you want to add him to a list of successful Orioles minor leaguers.


How many past minor leaguers have the O's had who came in and made a great splash right away, had many on here talking about the next great thing to hit MLB, only to watch those same players a short time later crash and burn??

There have been quite a few and I suggest before you put these two on any “Success” list you give them some time to actually prove themselves for a decent amount of time.


You guys still haven’t changed, you just love to jump the gun on any O’s player that shows any sign of success, MLB or minors, and you are quick to put them in the top echelon of the league players and some O’s pedestal, you are too funny but sad at the same time!!

AH.....it is OUR team

maybe just maybe if you were an Oriole fan....you would understand

[joe cool]

Look at the number of successful top picks by the Yanks over the last 15 years, and compare to the O's.
Machado, in limited time, had a 1.3 WAR, and was a dominant fielder. His bat was solid.
If he can stay healthy, watch him this year.

Look at the success, and lack of success, of the 2 teams during that last 15 years and tell me what you think!!
Yankees = Last 15 years, 12 Fist Place Finishes, 4 Rings, 6 WS Appearances, 14 Playoff Appearances
Orioles = Last 15 years, 4th Place or worst 13 times, 0 Rings, 0 WS Appearances, 14 straight losing seasons, and 1 Miracle Playoff Appearance

Many teams, INCLUDING THE ORIOLES, have had big name minor league superstars who turn out to be nothing, you guys should know this better than most with as many potential futures “Stars” who crashed and burned in the Orioles minor leagues. The thing is the Orioles had a miraculously successful season last year and some want to now say they are a successful team in developing young talents and they want to assume that the guys they have now will turn out to be superstars, unlike the long list of MISSES they’ve had in the past.

Machado, as you said yourself, had LIMITED time, his success with his bat and glove, although it could be a potential sign of good things, it could also end up as many Oriole future stars of the past. You remember all those guys who came up with the O’s at some point in a season, showed great promise, had everyone on here drooling, only to watch that same player never amount to much.

You have people putting this Machado kid in a superstar category with his very limited time in MLB. You then get people placing this Bundy kid in the same category without him ever playing 1 game at the MLB level. I think last season’s “miracle year” has now given many on here this false sense of greatness and it is going to be interesting to watch those folks as this coming season unfolds and the O’s are a lot closer to their former selves than what they were last year.

The Orioles had a good season last year, a miraculous season, but I’m willing to bet that this year they are closer to what many expected them to be last year rather than what they turned out to be.

[bmore_ken]

Wieters and Markakis maybe, but Bundy and Machado??


You guys are unreal, here you have a young kid in Machado that played in a hand full of games towards the end of the season and another player that hasn’t played 1 game in MLB yet and you want to add him to a list of successful Orioles minor leaguers.

I believe I recall you saying the exact same thing about Weiters

[Far from home]

Look at the success, and lack of success, of the 2 teams during that last 15 years and tell me what you think!!
Yankees = Last 15 years, 12 Fist Place Finishes, 4 Rings, 6 WS Appearances, 14 Playoff Appearances
Orioles = Last 15 years, 4th Place or worst 13 times, 0 Rings, 0 WS Appearances, 14 straight losing seasons, and 1 Miracle Playoff Appearance

Many teams, INCLUDING THE ORIOLES, have had big name minor league superstars who turn out to be nothing, you guys should know this better than most with as many potential futures “Stars” who crashed and burned in the Orioles minor leagues. The thing is the Orioles had a miraculously successful season last year and some want to now say they are a successful team in developing young talents and they want to assume that the guys they have now will turn out to be superstars, unlike the long list of MISSES they’ve had in the past.

Machado, as you said yourself, had LIMITED time, his success with his bat and glove, although it could be a potential sign of good things, it could also end up as many Oriole future stars of the past. You remember all those guys who came up with the O’s at some point in a season, showed great promise, had everyone on here drooling, only to watch that same player never amount to much.

You have people putting this Machado kid in a superstar category with his very limited time in MLB. You then get people placing this Bundy kid in the same category without him ever playing 1 game at the MLB level. I think last season’s “miracle year” has now given many on here this false sense of greatness and it is going to be interesting to watch those folks as this coming season unfolds and the O’s are a lot closer to their former selves than what they were last year.

The Orioles had a good season last year, a miraculous season, but I’m willing to bet that this year they are closer to what many expected them to be last year rather than what they turned out to be.

Actually, no they haven't.
The O's for a time overrated their prospects - no one else was saying that.
Then, they got some real prospects.
As far as Machado, I didn't say he is a superstar (ESPN did), but he did put up star production. He would have had a 4-5.5 WAR over a full season.
Again, Bundy is not being touted on here - he's being touted nationally as a top 3 prospect according to pundits.

As for the Yankees, they are realizing how tough their strategy has been on their wallets and they are starting to retract.
It's easy to throw money at a situation and watch as your sure things work out.

I don't know what this O's team is going to be. I know what they have the potential to be, but they don't play in a vacuum. They have to get past teams with greater resources, like the Jays and Yanks, or better minor league systems in place, like the Rays.

[weird-O]

You remember all those guys who came up with the O’s at some point in a season, showed great promise, had everyone on here drooling, only to watch that same player never amount to much.

the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

but this does lead to another, more interesting point. you've given away your age with your continual O's blasting. you grew up hating the O's because, for years, they were a great team and squashed your team with ease. and your obsessive jealousy continues to this very day. allow me to explain.

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

this is why you come here. you're hoping that you can silence those spirits if you dump all over the O's of today. is it working? has any of your anger and jealousy subsided?

or are you growing more concerned, because you realize the O's are actually building a stronger minor league system. couple that with Hank's decision to keep more profits and spend less on the team, and you're getting that old familiar twinge.

you're watching important yankee players leave NY for places like Seattle, Cleveland and even worse...Pittsburgh. those players are leaving because they can get more money. and in some cases those players feel they have a better shot at the playoffs with those teams. you're imagining a long period where the Yankees can't overcome the O's. and it doesn't help that many national analysts are reinforcing your fears by suggesting there's going to be a power shift in the ALe.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings. it will even be a little bit interesting to see how you respond. will you tuck tail and hide like you do every time the yankees get stomped. or will you double your efforts and post twice as many "O's suck" posts in an effort to quiet your demons.

good luck. and remember, all is not lost. Boston may manage to be competitive this season, that should help you a little.

[kudzu]

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

You're right.

Unfortunately, so is joe (not so) cool.

[RIKMAN]

the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

but this does lead to another, more interesting point. you've given away your age with your continual O's blasting. you grew up hating the O's because, for years, they were a great team and squashed your team with ease. and your obsessive jealousy continues to this very day. allow me to explain.

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

this is why you come here. you're hoping that you can silence those spirits if you dump all over the O's of today. is it working? has any of your anger and jealousy subsided?

or are you growing more concerned, because you realize the O's are actually building a stronger minor league system. couple that with Hank's decision to keep more profits and spend less on the team, and you're getting that old familiar twinge.

you're watching important yankee players leave NY for places like Seattle, Cleveland and even worse...Pittsburgh. those players are leaving because they can get more money. and in some cases those players feel they have a better shot at the playoffs with those teams. you're imagining a long period where the Yankees can't overcome the O's. and it doesn't help that many national analysts are reinforcing your fears by suggesting there's going to be a power shift in the ALe.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings. it will even be a little bit interesting to see how you respond. will you tuck tail and hide like you do every time the yankees get stomped. or will you double your efforts and post twice as many "O's suck" posts in an effort to quiet your demons.

good luck. and remember, all is not lost. Boston may manage to be competitive this season, that should help you a little.

Oh outstanding Weird-O!

[Jimmy Jazz]

Bundy has actually appeared at the MLB level. Pitched in 2 games out of the pen in late September.

[hector]

[QUOTE=weird-O;8234130]the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history.

[QUOTE]

Speaking of history, I long for the days of Ham Hyatt and Truck Hannah. I remember them well.

P.S. The O's go 84-78 in 2013 and miss the playoffs.

[durango46]

the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

but this does lead to another, more interesting point. you've given away your age with your continual O's blasting. you grew up hating the O's because, for years, they were a great team and squashed your team with ease. and your obsessive jealousy continues to this very day. allow me to explain.

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

this is why you come here. you're hoping that you can silence those spirits if you dump all over the O's of today. is it working? has any of your anger and jealousy subsided?

or are you growing more concerned, because you realize the O's are actually building a stronger minor league system. couple that with Hank's decision to keep more profits and spend less on the team, and you're getting that old familiar twinge.

you're watching important yankee players leave NY for places like Seattle, Cleveland and even worse...Pittsburgh. those players are leaving because they can get more money. and in some cases those players feel they have a better shot at the playoffs with those teams. you're imagining a long period where the Yankees can't overcome the O's. and it doesn't help that many national analysts are reinforcing your fears by suggesting there's going to be a power shift in the ALe.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings. it will even be a little bit interesting to see how you respond. will you tuck tail and hide like you do every time the yankees get stomped. or will you double your efforts and post twice as many "O's suck" posts in an effort to quiet your demons.

good luck. and remember, all is not lost. Boston may manage to be competitive this season, that should help you a little.

Now that the old man is gone wouldn't it be outstanding if the Yankees end up being the armpit of the American League East ?? and for several years.

That away this dbag (JoeTool) could get a taste of how it's been for us O's fans.

I've never seen a bigger POS that deserves it.....then we can all go on his Yankee board and do nothing but trash them...

[Maybe2050]

Only an idiot wouldn't make this move. It's not as though your 25th pick will hull you in a Bundy, Machado etc. We are however talking about Dan 'Don't upset Angelos' Duquette, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Softbank Orioles]

the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

but this does lead to another, more interesting point. you've given away your age with your continual O's blasting. you grew up hating the O's because, for years, they were a great team and squashed your team with ease. and your obsessive jealousy continues to this very day. allow me to explain.

the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

this is why you come here. you're hoping that you can silence those spirits if you dump all over the O's of today. is it working? has any of your anger and jealousy subsided?

or are you growing more concerned, because you realize the O's are actually building a stronger minor league system. couple that with Hank's decision to keep more profits and spend less on the team, and you're getting that old familiar twinge.

you're watching important yankee players leave NY for places like Seattle, Cleveland and even worse...Pittsburgh. those players are leaving because they can get more money. and in some cases those players feel they have a better shot at the playoffs with those teams. you're imagining a long period where the Yankees can't overcome the O's. and it doesn't help that many national analysts are reinforcing your fears by suggesting there's going to be a power shift in the ALe.

it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings. it will even be a little bit interesting to see how you respond. will you tuck tail and hide like you do every time the yankees get stomped. or will you double your efforts and post twice as many "O's suck" posts in an effort to quiet your demons.

good luck. and remember, all is not lost. Boston may manage to be competitive this season, that should help you a little.

No he didn't get to see murders row, he had to make due with the late 90s dynasty and the "Lean Years" where it almost took them a whole decade to win the Series again and missed the playoffs one year. One whole year.

...and do you think anyone considers the platoon DH Ibanez an "Important Yankee"

You're grasping at straws.

Just call it for what it is. He's a loser obsessed with trolling this forum. Its been going on for years.

He's a loser with a sad, sad, obsession. That's all there is to it.

[joe cool]

the same thing can be said for every MLB team.

but this does lead to another, more interesting point. you've given away your age with your continual O's blasting. you grew up hating the O's because, for years, they were a great team and squashed your team with ease. and your obsessive jealousy continues to this very day. allow me to explain.

I never tried to hide my age so giving it away is no big deal. I grew up hating all other ALe teams, including your precious wO's, because they are the "other team" not because they were special. The Yankees won in the 70's and the time I remember the Orioles being much better than the Yanks was in the early 80's when they won what turned out to be their last WS. The Yankees have won 5 times that many and been to 7 times that many WS since 1996.


the Yankees have an unparalleled history, but that's all it is for you...history. you didn't get to see murderer's row or the M&M boys. they were just stories. all you could do was read about them, or listen to the older generations talk about how great they once were. the yankees of your youth were a distant second fiddle to the vastly superior Orioles. and you hate them for it.

You are correct that the Yankees have an “UNPARALEL HISTORY” one that I’m sure rubs you raw with envy and I know that it is history. I didn’t have to see Murderers Row or the M&M Boys, I’ve read about them and the Yankees have given me enough RECENT Great History that I don’t have to look to the past for any satisfaction, I can simply look back a couple of years to find their last championship, when was the O’s last championship again??

Sorry but the Yankees of ANY GENERATION could never play second fiddle to a far INFERIOR team as your Orioles.


this is why you come here. you're hoping that you can silence those spirits if you dump all over the O's of today. is it working? has any of your anger and jealousy subsided?

Sorry buddy but I have no “Spirits” talking to me or making any noise, as I’ve said before my team has given me enough GREATNESS in my lifetime I could never complain about them, unlike your 14 straight losing seasons Orioles!! I think you are the one hearing voices, and you may want to get that checked out.


or are you growing more concerned, because you realize the O's are actually building a stronger minor league system. couple that with Hank's decision to keep more profits and spend less on the team, and you're getting that old familiar twinge.

Not concerned at all, see that Orioles had a MIRACULOUS season after 14 straight LOSING years and, despite what you and others on here may think, there is no guarantee that the O’s will catch lightning in a bottle twice. I think you are the one concerned with all the other moves made in the division and the Yankees being the Yankees, and the O’s being the usual do nothing O’s, you are concerned that last season will soon become a distant memory. Don’t worry though it will take a while to climb back up to being able to say “14 straight losing seasons” again. You’ll be able to talk about how great LAST season was. As far as the Yankees spending, they are trying to be smarter and they are tired of giving money to cheap *** teams, like your O’s, while they spend what is necessary to compete every year, They’ll be fine but your wO’es need to worry, they won’t have that free money waiting for them any longer.


you're watching important yankee players leave NY for places like Seattle, Cleveland and even worse...Pittsburgh. those players are leaving because they can get more money. and in some cases those players feel they have a better shot at the playoffs with those teams. you're imagining a long period where the Yankees can't overcome the O's. and it doesn't help that many national analysts are reinforcing your fears by suggesting there's going to be a power shift in the ALe.

Important Yankee players??

These guys that have left were good but they are getting older and are slowing down. They also still want a huge Pay Day and the Yankees are becoming smarter in not investing big in guys who will decline in the next year or two. This is actually a smart move, and I’m sure you’d be the first to criticize them if they did give up the big bucks to these players but now you want to criticize them for letting them walk?? You are such a hypocrite!!


it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings. it will even be a little bit interesting to see how you respond. will you tuck tail and hide like you do every time the yankees get stomped. or will you double your efforts and post twice as many "O's suck" posts in an effort to quiet your demons.

Again I do not go not hide, I am here as often as I can but I refuse to pay for this place so now it is not like before. I agree it will be interesting to see what happens in the standings but I pretty sure that this place is going to be hilarious when the O’s do the opposite of what you guys think they will do. I will not be doubling anything; again I will be here as often as I can be for free. I the one dealing with “demons” around here will be you as your team returns to their NORMAL place near the basement.


good luck. and remember, all is not lost. Boston may manage to be competitive this season, that should help you a little.


Who gives a crap about Boston; I hope they beat you guys out for last that would suit me just fine. Good luck to you though I think you will need it!!

I hope i answered all of your questions above, it was interesting and I think you are setting the stage for a pretty big bet this coming season!!