Democratic congressional candidate admits voting in 2 states, drops out

[octoburn]

Of course she knew.

Now the question is what ~ if anything ~ will be done about it.

Elections officials in Florida say they are asking prosecutors there to investigate allegations that former Maryland congressional candidate Wendy Rosen was registered and voted in both states.

and

Maryland this year became the first state to join a multistate database that should flag voters registered in more than one state, Maryland voter registration director Mary Cramer Wagner said.

But the Electronic Registration Information Center, or ERIC, would not have found Rosen, because Florida has not joined the database.

Seven states have signed on; more are expected to join. Wagner said the Maryland State Board of Elections should receive its first report as early as this week.

A spokesman for Maryland Democrats said party leaders were told of Rosen's dual registration on Friday by someone within the party. After verifying the details over the weekend, spokesman Matthew Verghese said, the leaders confronted Rosen on Monday.

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[Saticon3]

Are you contending that a military id card would not be sufficient for voting?

well, I thought you said that in response to the question "how would any voter id law ....affect this case" ( paraphrase) and unless she was in the military, a voter id law may very well have. But, your point on the militray id then would suggest that a military id should not be an acceptable form of id for voting, unless we want to accept that risk that a military person could get away with voting in multiple states easier than a non military one. IMHO, any id used for voting should be address specific as voting is, i.e., for the most part you have to vote where you claim your principal residence. Exceptions will always need to be made in some form for military personnel and perhaps some other transient types.

[Jack Dublin]

A fair and valid point. Why not create one massive system that checks registrations vs SSN?

Who will pay for it? Whoops...the government. The Tea Party would never stand for it.

[wbr]

Who will pay for it? Whoops...the government. The Tea Party would never stand for it.

I think the tea party would be ok in legitimate gov't spending by preventing voter fraud.

but taxing us so illegals can get free entitlements, no

[sigmalady]

well, I thought you said that in response to the question "how would any voter id law ....affect this case" ( paraphrase) and unless she was in the military, a voter id law may very well have. But, your point on the militray id then would suggest that a military id should not be an acceptable form of id for voting, unless we want to accept that risk that a military person could get away with voting in multiple states easier than a non military one. IMHO, any id used for voting should be address specific as voting is, i.e., for the most part you have to vote where you claim your principal residence. Exceptions will always need to be made in some form for military personnel and perhaps some other transient types.

My understanding is that the purpose of voter id was to ensure that the person who is voting is a legal citizen with the right to vote. I am not in favor of creating any sort of nationwide bureacracy to remedy something that isn't a wide spread problem. And I guess I'm technically guilty of voter fraud, since I used my parents address as my voting address until I purchased my own home. Military Id is sufficient to board an airplane, and it should be sufficient ID for voting. For someone who owns property in more than one state, and who is determined to vote in both, obtaining an ID with an address for each place would be no problem.

[Saticon3]

My understanding is that the purpose of voter id was to ensure that the person who is voting is a legal citizen with the right to vote. I am not in favor of creating any sort of nationwide bureacracy to remedy something that isn't a wide spread problem. And I guess I'm technically guilty of voter fraud, since I used my parents address as my voting address until I purchased my own home. Military Id is sufficient to board an airplane, and it should be sufficient ID for voting. For someone who owns property in more than one state, and who is determined to vote in both, obtaining an ID with an address for each place would be no problem.

I think your understanding is that it is a more onerous processs than it actually is--- my understanding is voter id is simply to ensure that the person casting the vote is in fact the person that they say they are. When we go to vote, assuming we're of course properly registered, we approach the table and say our name- the poll worker looks on the log of registered voters in that precint and if all is as it should be your name is on there as a registered voter. ( of course you would have had to register within a set deadline prior to the election, and the board of elections at time of your registration would determine your eligibility at that point) The purpose of asking for your id would be simply to ensure that you are the person you say you are, i.e, the person named on the voter roll that you say you are. A military id would serve that purpose, imho, and should be accepted. However, the question was posed on this thread as to how voter id law might have affected this case. I think it could have as the good candidate was not in the military and maybe by presenting out of state id some further inquiry may have resulted, maybe not. The way it is now without voter id, you simply tell the pollworker your name and if that name you give is on the list, that's it, you're allowed to vote in that name no further ado.

I'm not in favor of any nationwide bureaucarcy either, just a simple requirement that a person present a pre-determined acceptable id when voting, just like boarding an airplane or any of the other zillions of things we need ids for these days.

I'm not convinced by the notion that there are millions of people out there who would not be able to vote becasue they don't have an id. But, just to make sure, id's should be attainable free with minimal trouble for those that don't have them- one jurisdiction I forget which, proposed even sending someone out to meet the person at their home or other place of thier choosing to issue the id for those in need, but even that didn't satisfy the libs.

BTW, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how we know voter fraud is not a problem when there are no checks and no integrity to the system. That's what we hear over and over, that voter fraud is a "solution in search of a problem" that's the catch phrase they love to toss around, but i have yet to see how that is based in any way on fact.

And, yes, you did committ voter fraud, and calling it technical doesn't make it less illegal.

[sigmalady]

I think your understanding is that it is a more onerous processs than it actually is--- my understanding is voter id is simply to ensure that the person casting the vote is in fact the person that they say they are. When we go to vote, assuming we're of course properly registered, we approach the table and say our name- the poll worker looks on the log of registered voters in that precint and if all is as it should be your name is on there as a registered voter. ( of course you would have had to register within a set deadline prior to the election, and the board of elections at time of your registration would determine your eligibility at that point) The purpose of asking for your id would be simply to ensure that you are the person you say you are, i.e, the person named on the voter roll that you say you are. A military id would serve that purpose, imho, and should be accepted. However, the question was posed on this thread as to how voter id law might have affected this case. I think it could have as the good candidate was not in the military and maybe by presenting out of state id some further inquiry may have resulted, maybe not. The way it is now without voter id, you simply tell the pollworker your name and if that name you give is on the list, that's it, you're allowed to vote in that name no further ado.

I'm not in favor of any nationwide bureaucarcy either, just a simple requirement that a person present a pre-determined acceptable id when voting, just like boarding an airplane or any of the other zillions of things we need ids for these days.

I'm not convinced by the notion that there are millions of people out there who would not be able to vote becasue they don't have an id. But, just to make sure, id's should be attainable free with minimal trouble for those that don't have them- one jurisdiction I forget which, proposed even sending someone out to meet the person at their home or other place of thier choosing to issue the id for those in need, but even that didn't satisfy the libs.

BTW, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how we know voter fraud is not a problem when there are no checks and no integrity to the system. That's what we hear over and over, that voter fraud is a "solution in search of a problem" that's the catch phrase they love to toss around, but i have yet to see how that is based in any way on fact.

And, yes, you did committ voter fraud, and calling it technical doesn't make it less illegal.

Everytime I vote, I've been asked an additional question to verify my identity. And you are mistaken if you think I have any blanket opposition to voter identification.

[Saticon3]

Everytime I vote, I've been asked an additional question to verify my identity. And you are mistaken if you think I have any blanket opposition to voter identification.

Wouldn't it be easier- for them and for you-- if they just asked to see your driver's license than whatever that additional question may be?

Personally, I've never been asked any additional questions beyond my name. I'm not doubting you, just relating my experience. Do you recall what any of those other questions were? I'm curious. Also not sure if they are supposed to be doing it. I'm not saying I have a problem with them asking you additional questions, I'm just surprised that the practice is allowed under the current outrage at the prospect of voter id.

[sigmalady]

Wouldn't it be easier- for them and for you-- if they just asked to see your driver's license than whatever that additional question may be?

Personally, I've never been asked any additional questions beyond my name. I'm not doubting you, just relating my experience. Do you recall what any of those other questions were? I'm curious. Also not sure if they are supposed to be doing it. I'm not saying I have a problem with them asking you additional questions, I'm just surprised that the practice is allowed under the current outrage at the prospect of voter id.

Sometimes they ask for address, other times it's been date of birth. My assumption was that it was for verification.

[Saticon3]

Sometimes they ask for address, other times it's been date of birth. My assumption was that it was for verification.

Maybe, but as far as verification that you are the person you say you are, it wouldn't help much- maybe just for them to make sure you're the right person if there are similar names, or maybe just checking to make sure you haven't moved out of the precient since last election, I could see that- but as far as preventing any type of fraud, I don't think they have any information available to them to do any checking-- I think all they have is your name, dob, address and party affiliation--- which is all public info. ( the voter registry is public) and any presumed imposter would be armed with.

[sigmalady]

Maybe, but as far as verification that you are the person you say you are, it wouldn't help much- maybe just for them to make sure you're the right person if there are similar names, or maybe just checking to make sure you haven't moved out of the precient since last election, I could see that- but as far as preventing any type of fraud, I don't think they have any information available to them to do any checking-- I think all they have is your name, dob, address and party affiliation--- which is all public info. ( the voter registry is public) and any presumed imposter would be armed with.

There are no similar names Even armed with that information, the person attempting to vote would need to be sure that I hadn't already voted or requested an absentee ballot. If someone is that motivated to vote in another person's name, getting a counterfeit ID isn't that hard. Election judges aren't trained in identifying fake id.

Baltimore County sells the voter registration list.
http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Age...ationlist.html

I have two sisters that would likely pass the cursory review of an election using my driver's license.

[BiggSeth]

when the leaders are doing it, why is it soooo hard for you to believe thah their serfs are committing election fraud as well?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bre...,1321136.story

Former Maryland congressional candidate Wendy W. Rosen was charged Thursday with illegally voting in two elections and faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

Maryland State Prosecutor Emmet C. Davitt charged Rosen, 58, with casting ballots in 2006 and 2010 in Baltimore County even though her legal residence was in Florida. Rosen, a Cockeysville Democrat, ran against Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District this year.

Maryland and Florida both held gubernatorial and congressional contests in 2006 and 2010.


Of course when confronted with the facts, comrade rosen fell back on the traditional "I don't recall" meme and tried to make it a non-issue.

enjoy jail comrade, hopefully some of your librat buddies will be keeping you company soon!

[BlandFood]

But but but I was only trying to help a friend out.

Even with this the pos still got 25% of the votes.

[octoburn]

As I said previously ~ I hope she does get serious jail time for this.

[Marshan Man]

..and she got caught. Hmmm...

[johnpolitics]

But but but I was only trying to help a friend out.

Even with this the pos still got 25% of the votes.

The 25% can't stand Andy Harris.
Help she does jail time.

[BlandFood]

The 25% can't stand Andy Harris.
Help she does jail time.

The 25% saw a D besides her name, nothing more, nothing less. The trash couldn't help themselves.


Andy Harris, retired Naval Officer and Doctor, bad for America bad BAD!

[sigmalady]

..and she got caught. Hmmm...

Turned in by members of her own party.

[Virginia Poe]

when the leaders are doing it, why is it soooo hard for you to believe thah their serfs are committing election fraud as well?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bre...,1321136.story

Former Maryland congressional candidate Wendy W. Rosen was charged Thursday with illegally voting in two elections and faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

Maryland State Prosecutor Emmet C. Davitt charged Rosen, 58, with casting ballots in 2006 and 2010 in Baltimore County even though her legal residence was in Florida. Rosen, a Cockeysville Democrat, ran against Republican Rep. Andy Harris in the 1st Congressional District this year.

Maryland and Florida both held gubernatorial and congressional contests in 2006 and 2010.


Of course when confronted with the facts, comrade rosen fell back on the traditional "I don't recall" meme and tried to make it a non-issue.

enjoy jail comrade, hopefully some of your librat buddies will be keeping you company soon!

NO NO NO!!! Voter FRAUD does NOT HAPPEN!! Especially in Maryland! The experts on this board have told us so! And, it is the same thing with WELFARE FRAUD. They KNOW for certain- Seth.