Newton PD Response to Sandy Hook 911 Call ***20**** MINUTES

[Joy in Mudville]

If Columbine had full time on site (as in inside the school) armed security then they obviously failed. That is hardly an argument for having no security at all, however. The issue here is a simple one. We're either going to have armed security in schools or we are not. That's the only question to be answered. The idea that gun bans will stop these shootings is fanciful nonsense.

Except for the fact that it has worked in other countries around the world, but we all know that you don't want to talk about that.

[Smokey 1]

Except for the fact that it has worked in other countries around the world, but we all know that you don't want to talk about that.

How would a gun ban work here with millions of these "assault weapons" already out there? Do you think they can and should confiscate those guns?

[Joy in Mudville]

That is correct.

But, the fascists will probably select a 400 # dude who gets short of breath after taking 2 steps. And because he has sleep apnea, falls asleep while the criminals run rampant all over creation.

Or worse some scumbag like Sheriff Stone who is scared of his shadow,

funny isn't how the ones screaming out 'facist' are the ones who seem to want to live in a police state with armed guards at every school, movie theatre, shopping mall, and church.

[SomeIdiot]

funny isn't how the ones screaming out 'facist' are the ones who seem to want to live in a police state with armed guards at every school, movie theatre, shopping mall, and church.

I thought we already lived in such a world. We had an armed police officer on the premises when I was in high school and that was in the 90's. Not that I necessarily it's a good thing or sensible practice.

[SomeIdiot]

How would a gun ban work here with millions of these "assault weapons" already out there? Do you think they can and should confiscate those guns?

It never would work. There are probably enough guns already out in this country to fuel a perpetual black market.

Of course what the advocates of such laws fail to realize is that incidents like Newton are extremely atypical and unrepresentative of gun violence in America. People go on shooting sprees like this in virtually every country. The real difference is they don't have the same combination of hard prohibition and urban poverty that we have.

[EmDot]

Justify 10.

I'm too old to put up with pouting and whining if I said fewer.

[kudzu]

I'm too old to put up with pouting and whining if I said fewer.

Same here.

But I'm also too smart to try to put an actual number on it.

[EmDot]

Same here.

But I'm also too smart to try to put an actual number on it.

Smokey kept edging up so I figured I'd put a limit on it so he wouldn't keep upping it until I said that's enough.

[Contumacious]

funny isn't how the ones screaming out 'facist' are the ones who seem to want to live in a police state with armed guards at every school, movie theatre, shopping mall, and church.

Excuse moi, but police states do not recognize their citizens right to bear arms

Secondly, I OPPOSE GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS, ie, minimum security prisons. But that type of fascism IS a fact of life. While children under 14 are in the government's clutches the school authorities have a responsibility to protect them.

I have a right to life and to defend the same in Theaters, malls, etc. If the management of those establishments refuse to let us carry firearms then they must protect our lives.


Capisce?

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[Bmoreteacher]

It took the Newton PD 20 ****ING MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THE SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY 911 CALL

That 's a Pho King eternity. No wonder the motherflocker was able to kill so many - that's a GD eternity to a criminal.

And they want to disarms us...the gall

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He was able to kill so many because it happened in a sleepy CT town where no one in a million years would have expected it to happen. I truly believe that even if teachers had guns, the result would have been the same, because no one would have been ready (not to mention, he was wearing a vest.)

[jessup270]

The state of Florida is getting ready to issue it millionst concealed weapons permit this month.

You would think that with one million citizens walking around the state of Florida on any given day, plus at least 100,000 LEOs (state/local/federal) working in FL daily, that a criminal would be encountering victims carrying self defense weapons often.

Somehow criminals are constantly murdering, robbing and hurting people who are not armed, all the time.

We often hear how crime will go down, because people are packing. I have to assume that FL criminals are very smart, with an uncanny ability to select people who are not armed.

[Contumacious]

The state of Florida is getting ready to issue it millionst concealed weapons permit this month.

You would think that with one million citizens walking around the state of Florida on any given day, plus at least 100,000 LEOs (state/local/federal) working in FL daily, that a criminal would be encountering victims carrying self defense weapons often.

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While it is true that Florida allow its citizens to conceal carry , many of its residents are former New Yorkers and New Englanders who are not comfortable carrying weapons to defend their lives.

Secondly, there are many prosecutors and "judges" who are fascists and will deny due process of law to those who defend their lives. Floridians see how the "judicial" system has done everything possible to railroad George Zimmerman,

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[Eastside Terp]

The state of Florida is getting ready to issue it millionst concealed weapons permit this month.

You would think that with one million citizens walking around the state of Florida on any given day, plus at least 100,000 LEOs (state/local/federal) working in FL daily, that a criminal would be encountering victims carrying self defense weapons often.

Somehow criminals are constantly murdering, robbing and hurting people who are not armed, all the time.

We often hear how crime will go down, because people are packing. I have to assume that FL criminals are very smart, with an uncanny ability to select people who are not armed.

its looks like the violent crime in florida is trending down significantly the past 20 years despite a significant population increase ......

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/flcrime.htm

162,000 violent crimes in 1992 with a population of 13 million ........

98,000 violent crimes in 2011 with a population on 19 million ......

[BlandFood]

its looks like the violent crime in florida is trending down significantly the past 20 years despite a significant population increase ......

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/flcrime.htm

162,000 violent crimes in 1992 with a population of 13 million ........

98,000 violent crimes in 2011 with a population on 19 million ......

Once again numbers don't lie. I wonder how many grilled hoodlums met their demise?

[flyboy56]

Are you willing to pay extra taxes for that luxury?

You call police a luxury?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

In the city? What are they afraid of?

I don't know exactly waht they were afraid of before, but with 4 security professionals, I doubt they worry a lot now about security.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

The state of Florida is getting ready to issue it millionst concealed weapons permit this month.

You would think that with one million citizens walking around the state of Florida on any given day, plus at least 100,000 LEOs (state/local/federal) working in FL daily, that a criminal would be encountering victims carrying self defense weapons often.

Somehow criminals are constantly murdering, robbing and hurting people who are not armed, all the time.

We often hear how crime will go down, because people are packing. I have to assume that FL criminals are very smart, with an uncanny ability to select people who are not armed.

You have a point, but consider this.
One of the facets of self defense is situational awareness. Another is appearance. If you walk with slumped shoulders and a downcast gaze you mark yourself as someone not willing to stand up to aggression. You certainly don't want to issue a visual challenge to every person you meet on the street, but a slight smile and quick nod of greeting that shows you are aware of your surroundings, doesn't convey that.

People that teach CCW classes will tell you that. Don't give the impression that you are an easy mark. They will also tell you to avoid placing yourself in situations that lead to escalation and one of those is not to go to places that are potential trouble, if at all possible.

People that make a living by committing criminal acts are good at evaluating, (read that as sizing up people), those people don't want a scene, they want a quiet quick score and then split. They will avoid a target that looks like it would be difficult to overwhelm or take by surprise.

Now it's true that sociopaths, tweakers and the like don't follow that path because, quite simply, they are not out for the same reasons or are desperate enough for money that causing a visible disturbance is not a deterrent to them. Then, there are only two courses of action available to you; either submit and hope that an irrational criminal won't hurt you, or fight back with enough countervailing force to drive him away.

[EmDot]

In the city? What are they afraid of?

I could see IND or St. Francis Academy (just to name two) having off duty officers on site.