Newton PD Response to Sandy Hook 911 Call ***20**** MINUTES

[EmDot]

Yeah but having armed security personnel in each school is not a bad idea.

The armed sheriff's deputy onsite at Columbine didn't stop over 10 kids being killed.

[demopublican]

The armed sheriff's deputy onsite at Columbine didn't stop over 10 kids being killed.

Poor training.

[EmDot]

The only thing that would have stopped Lanza was on site security.

That's not necessarily a given. Columbine had onsite security.

[EmDot]

Poor training.

With all the proposed officers needed, who will guarantee they're properly trained? Let me guess, the NRA? What a cash cow that would be for them.

[veritas]

That's not necessarily a given. Columbine had onsite security.

If Columbine had full time on site (as in inside the school) armed security then they obviously failed. That is hardly an argument for having no security at all, however. The issue here is a simple one. We're either going to have armed security in schools or we are not. That's the only question to be answered. The idea that gun bans will stop these shootings is fanciful nonsense.

[Smokey 1]

The armed sheriff's deputy onsite at Columbine didn't stop over 10 kids being killed.

Then what is your solution?

[bmorepunk]

There is no solution that isn't prohibitively expensive, doesn't carry a risk comparable to the thing people are trying to prevent, or doesn't involve confiscation and destruction of all firearms (then a really long waiting period for all the ones they didn't find).

[Grindelwald]

I agree that it would not be politically possible to disarm America. But there are people that would love to see that.

There are people that would love to have had the world ended on Friday. What's your point?

[Smokey 1]

There is no solution that isn't prohibitively expensive, doesn't carry a risk comparable to the thing people are trying to prevent, or doesn't involve confiscation and destruction of all firearms (then a really long waiting period for all the ones they didn't find).

Then don't do anything if there is no solution.

[BlandFood]

There are people that would love to have had the world ended on Friday. What's your point?

If that were the case why wasn't there a mass suicide?

[Contumacious]

. You wan't someone with a strong background in tactical assault or a homeland security officer you typically find at stadium events or other large public gatherings..

That is correct.

But, the fascists will probably select a 400 # dude who gets short of breath after taking 2 steps. And because he has sleep apnea, falls asleep while the criminals run rampant all over creation.

Or worse some scumbag like Sheriff Stone who is scared of his shadow,

[EmDot]

Then what is your solution?

I could live with armed guards and banning high capacity magazines and drums. High capacity magazines and drums could not be resold. Surtax on guns and ammo. Criminal prosecution of the seller and buyer if they are. Too bad if someone's too lazy to reload at the range. And if you can't down an animal with three shots, you probably shouldn't be hunting and should go back to the range for more practice.

With WLP complaining about violent videos and games, he sounds like he's okay with limiting freedoms other than bearing arms. I would like to know why he thinks the second amendment is so sacrosanct that it shouldn't have more reasonable limits.

[Smokey 1]

I could live with armed guards and banning high capacity magazines and drums. High capacity magazines and drums could not be resold. Surtax on guns and ammo. Criminal prosecution of the seller and buyer if they are. Too bad if someone's too lazy to reload at the range. And if you can't down an animal with three shots, you probably shouldn't be hunting and should go back to the range for more practice.

With WLP complaining about violent videos and games, he sounds like he's okay with limiting freedoms other than bearing arms. I would like to know why he thinks the second amendment is so sacrosanct that it shouldn't have more reasonable limits.

Three shots? Most semi auto shotguns can hold five shells without an external magazine. Would you ban those too?

[EmDot]

Three shots? Most semi auto shotguns can hold five shells without an external magazine. Would you ban those too?

I wouldn't ban a five-shot gun, but I would ban a semi-auto gun or at least the selling of new ones and the reselling of ones already in someone's possession.

[Smokey 1]

I wouldn't ban a five-shot gun, but I would ban a semi-auto gun or at least the selling of new ones and the reselling of ones already in someone's possession.

So you would ban more than just "assault rifles", you would ban all semi autos. That is pretty extreme.

[EmDot]

So you would ban more than just "assault rifles", you would ban all semi autos. That is pretty extreme.

If semis only held five shots and couldn't be refigured to accommodate high capacity magazines, I might not restrict future purchases and they could only be resold through via a legitimate consignment gun dealer where a future buyer would be checked out.

[Smokey 1]

If semis only held five shots and couldn't be refigured to accommodate high capacity magazines, I might not restrict future purchases and they could only be resold through via a legitimate consignment gun dealer where a future buyer would be checked out.

Still most of the proposals I have heard would allow 10 round magazines so your restrictions still are extreme. What about some semi auto .22 rifles that hold over 20 rounds in an internal magazine? Would you ban those?

[EmDot]

Still most of the proposals I have heard would allow 10 round magazines so your restrictions still are extreme. What about some semi auto .22 rifles that hold over 20 rounds in an internal magazine? Would you ban those?

My limit would be 10. If manufacturers stop making guns because they because they don't want to limit the capacity, that would be their decision.

[kudzu]

My limit would be 10. If manufacturers stop making guns because they because they don't want to limit the capacity, that would be their decision.

Ok, so you're the new Gun Czar.

Justify 10.

[Eastside Terp]

Just a note: Columbine had two armed guards the day of the attack. I really don't know the answer to stopping these attacks, but the simple notion of adding more people with guns doesn't seem to be the answer IMHO.

were they even in the building? .........

doesn't sound like one was even on the property, off writing a traffic ticket nearby ........

tactics have changed considerably since columbine .......

the police responded and surrounded the building treating it like a hostage situation .......

the whole massacre thing wasn't even considered ......