NRA news conference

[soulflower]

It reduces violence in that 30,000 people are an awful lot of people to kill by stabbing. Guns make killing easy. Keep your shotgun. The rest go.

Could be worse. We could be Brazil which has about 30 shooting deaths per 100k people. I think the US is currently around 3 shooting deaths per 100k people.

With that said, the tougher gun control laws instituted in Brazil in 2005 have seemed to have brought about a modest decrease in shooting deaths in Rio.

The city of Rio's firearm death rate actually dropped from a high of 50.4 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2003 to 33.6 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2007, according to numbers from the Brazilian government.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Ameri...-firearm-sales

[Contumacious]

Not true. Switzerland isn't the gun ownership utopia you think it is

Yo flowery, what was the UK's crime rate BEFORE they banned firearms?!?!?!?!?

.

[slapshot]

The NRA did not pull the trigger last Friday.

Directly, no.

Indirectly, yes.

[slapshot]

The thugs committing these crimes are certainly not to blame.

Baloney, and you know that. Or, maybe you don't?

[Mom49of4]

Directly, no.

Indirectly, yes.

That is simply not true.

[soulflower]

Yo flowery, what was the UK's crime rate BEFORE they banned firearms?!?!?!?!?

.

What does crime have to do with guns? I don't see the correlation. Guns are pretty much banned in NYC and crime there is very low for a large city

[SemiAuto]

Lots of misleading "facts" used to make the points in your link.

There's no proven correlation between crime and guns. Otherwise, how do you explain the drastic reduction in crime in NYC where it's extremely difficult to get a gun legally?

You tell me.

[slapshot]

How do thugs get most things? They steal.

From gun stores?

From gun owners? Oh wait, I thought guns were suppose to prevent that sort of thing.

Guess not.

[slapshot]

That is simply not true.

Sorry, but it most DEFINITELY is true.

There support of policies that promote the widespread distribution of guns, and the watering down of all gun legislation is a contributing factor.

The fact that you, a gun nut, are in denial, does not make it so.

[Mom49of4]

Even if I am a gun nut - so what?

[slapshot]

You are truly overreacting - I don't hold the NRA responsible for the deaths of 27 at Sandy Hook.

As you said before...you ONLY hold the shooter responsible.

The fact that you can't see the other contributing factors in play for this tragedy, is, itself a tragedy.

[bystander]

Are you really intent on proving the smallness of your mind by allowing metaphor to fly over your head???

Congrats. I would try to hide that, but I guess if you have no shame you act differently.

I posted the entire quote for those who were insinuating the President was inciting violence with his rhetoric. I fully understand what the President was saying. I’m not a fan of people who only use partial/out of context language.

[Jeebus]

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,"

Utter BS!!!!

I'd like to hear your answer as to "what stops a bad guy with a gun?"

[Chesapeake Spirit]

Wouldn't mind this guy protecting my school (this ought to make a few here nervous)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCellB_UQ

[Joy in Mudville]

How do thugs get most things? They steal.

Actually, in the case of mass shootings, most times the guns and ammo are acquired legally.

Next.

[Joy in Mudville]

What does crime have to do with guns? I don't see the correlation.

Depends on what you mean. Petty theft is a crime. Jumping the turnstyle at the subway is a crime.

There is however a direct correlation between guns and gun related violence. There's a direct correlation between the number of guns in an industrialized country and the countries murder rates.

[slapshot]

I'd like to hear your answer as to "what stops a bad guy with a gun?"

Here's a question - what stops a bad guy that has the element of surprise?

Bad guy walks into a school room and quickly takes out the teacher...who has zero opportunity/time to reach into their drawer to pull out their gun. Not the solution.

Anybody that's been in the military knows that the element of surprise can trump superior firepower, with but a few exceptions. That's why the when, where and how many troop movements is always a closely guarded secret.

[soulflower]

Depends on what you mean. Petty theft is a crime. Jumping the turnstyle at the subway is a crime.

There is however a direct correlation between guns and gun related violence. There's a direct correlation between the number of guns in an industrialized country and the countries murder rates.

I agree but the author that they're citing has implied that there's a connection between the gun ban in the UK and the rise in crime there. I just don't see the direct correlation.

Crime goes up and down for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with guns...

[Jeebus]

Here's a question - what stops a bad guy that has the element of surprise?

Nothing, including a ban on something that is already 20 million strong.

Or more likely, a good guy who arrives (much too late) with a gun.

Bad guy walks into a school room and quickly takes out the teacher...who has zero opportunity/time to reach into their drawer to pull out their gun. Not the solution.

So what stops a bad guy with a gun?

Why are you avoiding the answer?

[soulflower]

You tell me.

Maybe its demographics?

The rise and decline in violent crime over the past 40 years seems to run parallel to the changes in the average age of the population(fewer births/young people = less crime?)

Why doesn't Lott look at Brazil? They have lots of legal gun owners and lots of crime. Or how about South Africa?
Its easy to find a handful of examples to support your argument while ignoring examples that contradict it...