NRA news conference

[barbaras27]

Moderators can't have opinions? Since when?

Of course they can! But is "Even if I am a gun nut - so what?" an opinion?

[BlandFood]

They did just abut all but. They support arming convicted felons.

Nice.

Really? Doesn't the anti American leftist love to recruit and get the felon vote?

[BlandFood]

They can have opinions but that doesn't mean they can delete posts that disagree with their opinions.

How do you know Matt or even those above him don't?

[Grindelwald]

How do you know Matt or even those above him don't?

Usually because he's not online at the time.

[johnpolitics]

If you are referring to the NRA proposal that we arm every school in the country, then I couldn't agree more.

Is the NRA going to foot the bill?

Don't think so.

If I'm a lawyer, I'm think liability insurance...yikes!!

Wayne said wants the feds to pay for it! Can't wait for the GOP to introduce that idea in Congress. There are about 100,000 public schools in the US. $50,000 for each cop. That's 5 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! And we have not discussed private K-12 cost...
I thought about the insurance and I wouldn't insure.

[Wizard777]

That's a lot of ifs. If she'd gotten her son help sooner or if the ACLU hadn't made it so difficult to commit people in this country, perhaps the shooting could have been avoided altogether. Or if his mother had properly secured the weapons, maybe it wouldn't have happened. As I've pointed out at least five or six times in these threads, VA Tech was carried out with two handguns. This could have been done the same way. People talk about banning semi-auto rifles and certain sized magazines but what about the millions out there already? Lanza's mother had had her guns for years.

Exactly! What difference does it make if 20 kids are killed in 4 seconds with an assault rifle and 1 30 round banana clip before the police get there or 20 kids are killed with a Glock and 3 9 round clips before the police get there?

I think a greater onus needs to be placed on securing guns. We also need to improve school security. I think it's insane that we will put cops on Airplanes but not in schools.

I also don't think you want to make it easier to commit people. Right now if you don't think guns should be banned you're a danger to society and the left will want to commit you. If you think millionaires should pay more taxes you're a danger to society and the right will want to commit you. Welcome to the USSR where you tow the political line or go to the looney bin.......if you're lucky.

[Wizard777]

Wayne said wants the feds to pay for it! Can't wait for the GOP to introduce that idea in Congress. There are about 100,000 public schools in the US. $50,000 for each cop. That's 5 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! And we have not discussed private K-12 cost...
I thought about the insurance and I wouldn't insure.

Then we end our aid to Israel and Egypt to pay for that. Let them kill each other. Our children deserve to live.

[Diego]

How do the thugs get the guns?

They break laws to get them

We need more laws to stop them, huh?

[Diego]

If I had to choose between us both being armed or unarmed I would choose us both being unarmed.

Unfortunately, you can't make that choice for the criminal....that's why they're criminals

[Diego]

By the way, if we were ever to "arm" our teachers, then I would prefer it be with something that is not lethal, such as a stun- gun or mace. Both will shoot at least 20+ feet, and one doesn't have to be spot on.

I have both in my house, and both are quite capable of disabling anyone with a gun...now, the issue of whether the good guy would have the opportunity (there's that word again) to use either of these defensive weapons is a question...but the same question would also apply if they were replaced by a gun. Opportunity is key.

The point being, if a mistake is made with mace, or a stun gun....an inncocent student/teacher or byestander (as the stray bullet goes through a wall or window) does not pay with their life.

I hope you get the chance to fight a person armed with a handgun using your mace or stun gun....


you know, just so you can prove how effective that would be......

[Diego]

But if his mother didn't have the guns in the house those kids would still be alive. If he she had only had handguns with relatively small clips perhaps the death toll would have been lower.

I wonder what the reaction would be, and what would be called for by the overly-emotional, had he "only" killed 12 kids using handguns........

[Grindelwald]

They break laws to get them

We need more laws to stop them, huh?

Actually, most criminals obtain guns legally. Facts suck, I know.

[johnpolitics]

Then we end our aid to Israel and Egypt to pay for that. Let them kill each other. Our children deserve to live.

In an odd way security wise the NRA wants to turn the US into israel.

[slapshot]

Wayne said wants the feds to pay for it! Can't wait for the GOP to introduce that idea in Congress. There are about 100,000 public schools in the US. $50,000 for each cop. That's 5 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! And we have not discussed private K-12 cost...
I thought about the insurance and I wouldn't insure.

A few years ago I ran a hockey club. It was essential that anybody (ie, director, treasurer and coaches) had $1mil liability insurance.

I could not imagine that a school would allow guns onto their campus, and not have the administrative staff covered by some form of liability insurance.

Can you imagine the law suite the first time something went wrong? The lawyers would be be circling, like great whites to a dead whale carcous.

[soulflower]

They break laws to get them

We need more laws to stop them, huh?

We need the NRA to get out of the way of law enforcement

[genghiskhanraven]

That's a lot of ifs. If she'd gotten her son help sooner or if the ACLU hadn't made it so difficult to commit people in this country, perhaps the shooting could have been avoided altogether. Or if his mother had properly secured the weapons, maybe it wouldn't have happened. As I've pointed out at least five or six times in these threads, VA Tech was carried out with two handguns. This could have been done the same way. People talk about banning semi-auto rifles and certain sized magazines but what about the millions out there already? Lanza's mother had had her guns for years.

They're proposing changes with mental health reform, the President continues to make the point it's not just about guns.
If you gun nuts have millions of high capacity magazines why are you fighting for manufactures to be able to sell you more, What do you need them for?

I'm not sure why Lanza didn't secure her guns, wasn't she and her killer son a member of the NRA? Didn't the NRA train both of them on gun safety?

[BlandFood]

Actually, most criminals obtain guns legally. Facts suck, I know.

Really? You realize anyone convicted of domestic violence or a felony cannot buy don't you? So are they buying BEFORE they're criminals or after?

[Wizard777]

In an odd way security wise the NRA wants to turn the US into israel.

It's not just the NRA. It's the entire Republican party. That's why Republicans are coming out against the NRA. NRA v Israel. Israel wins. Israel v the America people. Israel wins. We do not need to become a militarized society living in an eternal paranoid delusion.

[ivanbalt]

Actually, most criminals obtain guns legally. Facts suck, I know.

Really? In Baltimore, Bealfield and SRB were all about criminals with illegal guns.

[Wizard777]

Really? You realize anyone convicted of domestic violence or a felony cannot buy don't you? So are they buying BEFORE they're criminals or after?

Ironically enough all this hysteria is resulting in unintended consequences. Sales of assault rifles have gone through the roof. Gun dealers are calling it the Obama Gun Stimulus.