Florida surpasses one million concealed weapons permit

[jessup270]

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/m...concealed.html

FL has issued more concealed weapons permits that any other state in the nation. One million permits and the count is rising at a rate of 10,000 to 15,000 permits each month.

The two million mark is well on its way.

Based on the pro gun folks, this should make FL much safer, from criminals than say Maryland.

[Jeebus]

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/m...concealed.html

FL has issued more concealed weapons permits that any other state in the nation. One million permits and the counting is rising at a rate of 10,000 to 15,000 permits each month.

How many were revoked for using a legally carried CCW in the commission of a crime?

Only 0.3 percent of the more than 2 million total permits issued since 1987 have been revoked, said Florida Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam.

If only every law had a 99.7% legal compliance rate.

[demopublican]

Jessup, your analysis is too simple.crime has multiple influencing factors. Maryland is one of the wealthiest states in the nation.

[bmorepunk]

http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/m...concealed.html

FL has issued more concealed weapons permits that any other state in the nation. One million permits and the count is rising at a rate of 10,000 to 15,000 permits each month.

The two million mark is well on its way.

Based on the pro gun folks, this should make FL much safer, from criminals than say Maryland.

Explain to me why violent crime in Florida has fallen linearly by about 50% in the last 20 years.

Then, explain to me why it has done so in Baltimore City (and Maryland).

Then, explain to me why it has done so regardless of gun laws of any state or locality.

[flyboy56]

The Police Executive Research Forum brings together police chiefs from across the country and asks their opinions as to developing issues, thus the list below reflects the perceptions of law enforcement leadership. The document cited is from 2009.

Top 10 Factors Identified as Contributing to Violent Crime.

1. Gangs 82 %

2. Juveniles / youth crime 80 %

3. Economy / poverty / unemployment 74 %

4. Impulsive violence / disrespect issues 74 %

5. Release of offenders from correctional institutions 69 %

6. Drugs-Cocaine 67 %

7. Poor parenting 63 %

8. Increased availability of guns 55 %

9. Reduced cooperation from witnesses / victims (not in top 10 last year) 37 %

10. Educational system-increasing dropout rates (not in top 10 last year) 36 %

Source: http://www.policeforum.org/library/c...e&EconomyI.pdf

[jessup270]

Explain to me why violent crime in Florida has fallen linearly by about 50% in the last 20 years.

Then, explain to me why it has done so in Baltimore City (and Maryland).

Then, explain to me why it has done so regardless of gun laws of any state or locality.

In FL like many other states, the major decline in crime has nothing to do with concealed weapons permits.

1. Less babies were born in a particular year or series of years, thus lessening the amount of males who are prime crime producers within a given age span.

2. Long sentences for violent offenders keeps really serious criminals behind bars. The Florida 10/20/30 law has kept many hardcore offenders off the streets.

If cities and states really want to reduce crime keep career criminals and violent offenders off the streets for two to three decades, very simple.

[demopublican]

I agree with the last part. Violent criminals need to get locked up for a long time the first time.

[bmorepunk]

In FL like many other states, the major decline in crime has nothing to do with concealed weapons permits.

1. Less babies were born in a particular year or series of years, thus lessening the amount of males who are prime crime producers within a given age span.

2. Long sentences for violent offenders keeps really serious criminals behind bars. The Florida 10/20/30 law has kept many hardcore offenders off the streets.

If cities and states really want to reduce crime keep career criminals and violent offenders off the streets for two to three decades, very simple.

We can't prove those two (my assumption is that #1 is most of it, and #2 has some serious effect as well), but you can certainly correlate them. Levitt and Donohue took a lot of crap about their theory that abortion after Roe v. Wade was the cause of the lack of crime producers being born, but it seems like a reasonable theory to me.

This gives people like me the thought that on-demand free birth control and abortions (for when idiots can't even be bothered with birth control) should be available to everyone, but I know that doesn't line up with a lot of peoples' personal beliefs. If it saves us crime, and we don't have a bunch of unwanted kids who turn into adults who are net economic negatives then we should do it.

I've seen no data that doesn't have offsetting data to show that more guns being carried around or tighter gun laws make a substantial difference in crime (violent crime specifically). We have a pretty large set of data from different laboratories from around the country and there is really no conclusion you can draw if you look at the data.

What's even more interesting is the number of people who think crime is "really bad" now compared to what it "used to be".

[flyboy56]

Considering that 82% of violent crime is by gangs, I would look to see what cities have established proactive gang task forces. These gangs would also include many of the juveniles that make up 80% of most crimes as well. Communities have to be involved with the police departments to help identify gangs and gang members.

[jessup270]

Considering that 82% of violent crime is by gangs, I would look to see what cities have established proactive gang task forces. These gangs would also include many of the juveniles that make up 80% of most crimes as well. Communities have to be involved with the police departments to help identify gangs and gang members.

Gang crime is a topic that most Americans, including myself, really know little about.

For example, I was really surprised to learn that the Minneapolis/St. Paul area, has a Somali gang problem. What?

I guess Minnesota opened the welcome mat for Somalis and the result was the birth of Somali gangs.

In California, I was also surprised to learn that some state prisons are unofficially run by gangs.