If Harbaugh challenges the play where Manning fumbled the ball, we get the ball where Upshaw picked it up, I believe. That is why Coughlin decided not to challenge. Big miss by Harbaugh.
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If Harbaugh challenges the play where Manning fumbled the ball, we get the ball where Upshaw picked it up, I believe. That is why Coughlin decided not to challenge. Big miss by Harbaugh.
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Probably the ref told Coughlin that. The blabbermouth!Originally Posted by RavingManiac
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RavingManiac, after picking up the ball, Upshaw started to run and then was stripped. The ball was recovered by a Giants OL: this would have (given the really creative interpretations that occurred in the replay booth this afternoon) more than likely given the ball back to the Giants with a first down...
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No. The ball recovered on the fumble could not be advanced by the D. The ball would have been awarded to the Ravens at the spot of the recovery. Harbaugh blew the non-challenge. Even Pereira said as much.
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given the review of Torrey Smiths should have been TD.....I couldn't tell you how a review of the should have been strip sack would have turned out
the officials were absolutely terrible today
can you say replacement like
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You are probably right, however, and I was thinking more about the crazy calls coming from the replay booth.
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please explain.
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the pass was ruled incomplete...if replays show it was a fumble, the recovering team gets the ball where it was first recovered...the ball was blown dead and cannot be advanced...evrything that happened after Upshaw took off with the ball doesn't count....
the refs blew it by not accepting Couglin's challenge....Coughlin didn't know the rules about incomplete passes....he thought the Giants would get the ball back and a fresh set of downs since Upshaw clearly had possesion before he fumbled....but as a hall of fame coach he gets a pass...
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Thanks.
(And...Harbaugh obviously didn't know the rules either, or else HE would have/should have challenged. But I guess you want to give him a pass as well. 'Tis the season...let's just give EVERYBODY a pass. Even Oher, for his 3 penalties in 1 drive.)
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I thought it was very shrewd not to challenge. The result of the play as called was not exactly negative for the Ravens, and it was too iffy how the refs would rule on replay-- they might have given it to the Giants 1st & 10. Given the game situation, I thought it would not be a wise risk. They pretty much had the game in hand, why risk a big momentum change like that? They didn't "need" the turnover, the stop was good enough.
After seeing the Smith TD taken away, I wouldn't trust this crew on anything, certainly not knowing the rules and intrepeting them correctly.
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Still trying to figure out why a fumble can not be advanced by the defense.
Flacco fumbled in a past steeler game and the steelers certainly advanced it.
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Only because the original play was blown dead as an incomplete pass. When that happens, the replay can determine fumble and recovery, but the play stops at the recovery because it had been blown dead. There's no continuance because players who heard it would have stopped playing at the whistle.
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It was Jacoby Jones, but yes, I felt the same way about that crew. The NFL has complicated some rules so much that not even the officials fully understand them.
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Thank you for enlightening me, that makes sense now.
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I don't think the refs should be involved in accepting or declining a coaches challenge. If a coach wants to throw a red flag, let him. It ain't the refs problem if the coach don't know the rules. The ref should come over to the coach on the sideline and ask, "What are you challenging?" The coach tells him, and the ref should do an about face and go straight to the review booth not saying anything more to the coach, even if the coach has questions about the play.
In this scenairo, we would surely find who the dumbest coaches are in the league!
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I think they changed this rule a few years ago when Ed Hochuli blew a similar call during a Charger/Broncos game. Back then even though instant replay showed a QB fumbled the ball the D recovered, if the play was ruled an incomplete pass on the field it was not reviewable and the D was not awarded the ball. After the rule change, the D is awarded the ball but can't advance since the whistle blew.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?confir...-with-comments
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All the more reason Harbaugh should have challenged the call. (Something I posted in the original game thread.)
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There was a big controversy with the Lions coach on Thanksgiving Day, involving challenges.I don't think the refs should be involved in accepting or declining a coaches challenge. If a coach wants to throw a red flag, let him. It ain't the refs problem if the coach don't know the rules. The ref should come over to the coach on the sideline and ask, "What are you challenging?" The coach tells him, and the ref should do an about face and go straight to the review booth not saying anything more to the coach, even if the coach has questions about the play.
In this scenairo, we would surely find who the dumbest coaches are in the league!
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Yeah I know, poor guy didn't know the rules or was too excited. Too damn bad! He'll know the rule next time, or control himself better.
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In light of the outcome I'm alright with Harbaugh not using the challenge flag.He usually botches it up anyhow.
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