Russell Wilson Best NFL Rookie QB I Have Seen in 48 Years Following NFL

[HAIL2BNG]

As always, I give you stats and you rely on wishful thinking.

Griffin is more accurate. You must have missed the game winning toss to Moss last week, Hadley.

Also, you don't know a thing about arm motions either. Wilson has a hitch in his which he has gotten away with so far. Luck and Griffin have near perfect arm motions.

[Far from home]

You telling me that RGIII (VickJr) doesnt' stare down receivers? He only seems to be able to complete passes to wide open receivers most of the time as well. Wilson puts the ball right on the money, hitting the receiving in stride most of the time from what I saw.

His accuracy is beyond dispute. He delivers the ball on time and in a tight window to the receiver. He also knows when to go down safely when scramblling unlike VickJr. He also may not be as fast as VickJr but he is quicker in his movements. He is very compact in his delivery like Brees and decisive like Rogers, while showing Tarkenton-like ability to scramble.

I'm not talking about RGIII, I'm talking about Russell Wilson.
He's a good game manager.
He's not elite.
He's not the best QB in 48 years.
If anyone deserves the utmost respect, it is Luck. Luck has a couple of good receivers, and that's it. He has no running game to work with like RG3 and Wilson.
Still, in terms of raw ability, RG3 is at the top. Wilson is good when he's not under duress. Luck is the best at the end of the game.

[Durrty Bird]

I was watching the Seahawks/Niners game and was astonished at what I was seeing with Seattle's rookie QB.

He was absolutely amazing against possibly the top defense in the NFL. He was extremely quick, compact and decisive in unloading his pinpoint passes. He also seemed much like Fan Tarkenton to have eyes in the back of his head under pressure.

This kid is going to be a superstar. He is showing amazingly talent, above that of the overated RGIII and even looks more advanced as a rookie than Andrew Luck.

Seattle IMO seems to have found the next Drew Brees, only a better scrambler. He is sort of a hybrid Brees/Aaron Rogers. What a steal as a third round pick!

Wilson is going to be a good one but RG3 is the complete opposite of overrated. If anything he might actually be even better than advertised which is saying a mouthful. I will agree that Wilson has looked slightly more poised/advanced than Luck at times but obviously won't project that to mean he'll have a better career than Luck.

[infinite looper]

Wilson is using a full playbook. Griffin, not so much...

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

I'm not talking about RGIII, I'm talking about Russell Wilson.
He's a good game manager.
He's not elite.
He's not the best QB in 48 years.
If anyone deserves the utmost respect, it is Luck. Luck has a couple of good receivers, and that's it. He has no running game to work with like RG3 and Wilson.
Still, in terms of raw ability, RG3 is at the top. Wilson is good when he's not under duress. Luck is the best at the end of the game.

Raw ability at what? Certainly not being a pocket passing NFL QB. Maybe running like a fool and getting hurt. I would put him at the top doing that so far. His career is going to be shorter than a lit match.

[HAIL2BNG]

Wilson is using a full playbook. Griffin, not so much...

You think so? You're wrong on both. Wilson hasn't remotely used a full playbook. There are even quotes by Carroll saying so. You haters really need to pay attention.

[HAIL2BNG]

This article addresses basically all of the facts that RG3 is an excellent pocket passer as well as being dangerous as a runner. Of course the opinions are from professional football players and not retired prison guards so you will have to take their opinions with a grain of salt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/sp...rous.html?_r=0

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

This article addresses basically all of the facts that RG3 is an excellent pocket passer as well as being dangerous as a runner. Of course the opinions are from professional football players and not retired prison guards so you will have to take their opinions with a grain of salt.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/sp...rous.html?_r=0

This retired prison guard knew enough to proclaim here for all to read that your boy was going to get hurt and would have an injury shortened career. And you belittled me and scoffed it off. Guess what sonny boy, it looks like you know far less than this old retired prison guard because I called it and will continue to say it to you: he is a gimmick QB, and his running is both what gives him an advantage and what kills him at the same time. If you cannot see that by now you are a bigger fool than he is trying to run like that in the NFL at the QB position. He is going to end up with a career about as long as Bo Jackson's. He has already sustained two major injuries in 14 games. You can discount that all you want but that is a fact that limits a players stats and performance big time.

With that being said, you got the real deal sitting on the bench behind him and are too dumb to know it.

[Rael]

Raw ability at what? Certainly not being a pocket passing NFL QB. Maybe running like a fool and getting hurt. I would put him at the top doing that so far. His career is going to be shorter than a lit match.

What do you have against RG3 besides your desire to argue a point within an inch of its life?

[HAIL2BNG]

Sorry, Hadley, I forgot you are an idiot.

Still waiting for those stats you don't have.

[SNAFU]

Ahhhhh, the good ole days! Sitting here reading Old19 getting his panties in a bunch is the ultimate Xmas gift. Priceless!

[HAIL2BNG]

Ahhhhh, the good ole days! Sitting here reading Old19 getting his panties in a bunch is the ultimate Xmas gift. Priceless!

And digging in his heels when he's wrong is also an old standard.

[durango46]

What do you have against RG3 besides your desire to argue a point within an inch of its life?

spot on

Being a Ravens fans we don't see these QB's on a regular basis. I'm assuming Hail is a Skins fan so it's my guess he would know than we do about RG3. Now rather his assumptions are true or not is one thing, but the stats don't lie.

To argue who's better at this point in time is just pure speculation on everybody's part. Let's remember it is their first year.


I come down on the side of RG3....but that doesn't mean I'm right. So what's with all the name calling ?

Merry Christmas

[HAIL2BNG]

One guy made the pro bowl. The other one is Wilson.

[Rael]

Oldfan, not every scrambling QB has a short career. I think there was a guy named Tarkington who did ok. Cunningham did pretty well. Elway was a bit of a scrambler early in his career. He did ok. Steve Young ran quite a bit. He was pretty good too.

[Eastside Terp]

no better way to treat a troll like hailto than to sic oldfan on him .......

[Far from home]

Raw ability at what? Certainly not being a pocket passing NFL QB. Maybe running like a fool and getting hurt. I would put him at the top doing that so far. His career is going to be shorter than a lit match.

Rael above provides some nice examples.

The best QBs in football aren't the pocket passers, they are the guys that can move enough to provide lanes and spacing to get off the ball.

Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, and Rapelsberger (spit) are all mobile QBs that have used their mobility to give themselves an opportunity to throw.

I don't get the hate.

[Omaha Beach]

Rael above provides some nice examples.

The best QBs in football aren't the pocket passers, they are the guys that can move enough to provide lanes and spacing to get off the ball.

Brees, Rodgers, Ryan, and Rapelsberger (spit) are all mobile QBs that have used their mobility to give themselves an opportunity to throw.

I don't get the hate.

As much as I hate to admit it the best QB, 3 SBs is a pure pocket passer, Brady. As is P. Manning (1 SB) and E Manning, 2 SBs. Plus you wont see Brees or Rodgers taking the chances running like young Mr. Griffin does. Hopefully he will learn the NFL is different from college before he does suffer a season or career ending injury. He is an excellent QB and a fine young man despite what that idiot Rod Parker had to say about him. Not too many 340 lb. freight trains like Ngata chasing after you in college.

[Peej7245]

...Not too many 340 lb. freight trains like Ngata chasing after you in college.

Oh yes there are!

The biggest difference is that, on Sunday, those freight trains are CATCHING you, not just chasing after you...

[Baltimore Ravens Lets Go!]

Oldfan, not every scrambling QB has a short career. I think there was a guy named Tarkington who did ok. Cunningham did pretty well. Elway was a bit of a scrambler early in his career. He did ok. Steve Young ran quite a bit. He was pretty good too.

I agree, and unlike those three, RGVickJr is too stupid (in football sense or IQ) to know how to slide down to avoid injury. All the top QB's do that scramblers or not because they want to sustain a career as long as possible in the NFL. But no, not VickJr, he is smarter than every other sucessfull NFL QB as this genius thinks he can run around like a tailback and not pay the price. Lets see, a concussion and knee ligament sprain one would think ought to teach him otherwise, but that remains to be seen doesn't it.

IMO he knows he can't stop running with abandon because that is his gimmick. As a pure pocket passer he is pedestrian, but with his sprinter's speed and inherent threat to take off, he is a huge weapon. Problem is, since he isn't smart enough (in a football not academic sense) to properly use his it (speed) without getting injured it is also his achilles heel. Eventually either he or the Redskins will figure this out and he will end up on the bench behind Kirk Cousins. Why, because in simplest terms, he is Michael Vick Jr. To insinuate otherwise is an insult to all those great NFL QB's you named above. If anyone does't like the truth I speak go post on a Redsking board where everyone can worship, glorify and adore this overated primma donna.