Today's Mass Shooting in NY..

[Dryfire]

Spengler should have been put to death in 1981 but as with good ole boys he got a pat on the backside and was spared. It's the entitlement good ole boys believe they must have. Beginning from the first days when europeans set foot on this nation claiming to have discovered a place already inhabited. And bringing with them disease. Then killing, raping and pillaging the inhabitants, good ole boys sense of entitlement went amuck.

Your bitterness is eating away at you.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

When did I call 45% of America racist? You are just spouting lies now as usual. And I have also said that I'm fine with people owning handguns. Not assault weapons. Just as long as they are law abiding citizens.

Wow, I'm glad to know that my Remington model 742 in .30-06 with a twenty round aftermarket magazine, (that incidentally is twice as powerful as a dinky AR15 in 5.56), meets with your approval. I mean after all, it's not an assault weapon since it's exempted from Feinstein's list of BAD guns.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

You gun nuts realize that Democrats realize no amount of gun control will prevent 100% of criminals from shooting people? Crime would be a lot worse in the big cities without gun control.

Wow, is that simply your opinion? Or did Moses come down off a mountain and share that with you?

As if.

Get a clue sport. The are millions of guns in this country. Anybody that wants to use one in a crime already has one. The only way crime will decrease will be if some element of risk is forced upon potential criminals.

Street Cops laugh at people like you. They call you "whitebread".

A few weeks ago Slapshot had a great laugh, or so he thought, when I related the incident where the cop that taught the CCW class I was in several years ago, saw me out the week after the theater shooting. He asked if I was armed and answered truthfully, no. He then replied, "Well you should be, that pistol is no good to anybody locked in your gun safe."

Slapshot had a great laugh about it, even commented facetiously something about his relationship with the chief of police of his local. Although I suspect his only interaction with the POPO involves simple possession, being a child of the 60's and all.

[jessup270]

Due to the recent spat of mass murders lately in the US, the public demanding some type of fast action involving guns.

In the latest multiple murders in NY of FFs, the suspect was a convicted felon in possession of firearms.

If the public wants something done quickly a good first step is federal law that says ANY convicted felon found in possession of a firearm gets a mandatory TEN YEAR sentence if found guilty. No probation, no time served, no special circumstances.

This type of sentence would remove lots of gang bangers, career criminals and other folks who prey on society.

If the ten year sentences works and removes lots of parasites from society, maybe increase it to 15 years.

[Gopher]

If the public wants something done quickly a good first step is federal law that says ANY convicted felon found in possession of a firearm gets a mandatory TEN YEAR sentence if found guilty. No probation, no time served, no special circumstances.

Interesting. That federal law already exists. The statutory maximum is in parentheses.

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Don't really need to do anything. Just enforce the current law.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Interesting. That federal law already exists. The statutory maximum is in parentheses.

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Don't really need to do anything. Just enforce the current law.

Nope, doesn't fit today's judicial philosophy.
Gotta make another law.
Kinda like "double secret probation".

[Mom49of4]

As if all the other laws are being observed. Are there enough police officers to keep up with all the laws?

[Gopher]

As if all the other laws are being observed. Are there enough police officers to keep up with all the laws?

The federal ban on prohibited persons possessing firearms has been around since the Gun Control Act of 1968. I think they've had sufficient time to familiarize themselves with it.

[BlandFood]

As if all the other laws are being observed. Are there enough police officers to keep up with all the laws?

Most are ignorant of many, as are judges and atty's. maybe there are too many CS laws?

[jessup270]

Interesting. That federal law already exists. The statutory maximum is in parentheses.

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Don't really need to do anything. Just enforce the current law.

I looked up the law you noted and the penalty listed is the maximum for the offense.

What we need is a mandatory sentence for offenses involving firearms.

I read an article recently that said 90 PERCENT of people who commit homicide have a prior felony conviction on their record.

It seems rather simple, if you are felon and are found in possession of a firearm or ammunition, you should receive a MANDATORY 10 year sentence.

[RavnFreek]

The guy murdered his grandmother. What the hell is he doing out on the streets to being with?

DING DING.. we have a winner with the right question.

Why was this lunatic allowed to be NOT behind bars?

[naive]

Looks like the guys sister was in the house and her charred remains are being indentified..

He had some firepower with him:

Pickering said he was not sure what the victims were shot with, but said Spengler had an "arsenal of ammunition" and three weapons - a Smith & Wesson .38 caliber revolver, a pump-action Mossberg shotgun, and a .223 Bushmaster rifle with a flash suppressor.

The same model Bushmaster rifle was used in the killing of 20 students and six teachers in Newtown, Connecticut, on December 14.

http://news.yahoo.com/ambushed-ny-fi...015312529.html

You gun nuts can rest easy though, as it appears he got these weapons illegally..

Phew...

[demopublican]

DING DING.. we have a winner with the right question.

Why was this lunatic allowed to be NOT behind bars?

Obviously the real problems here were with the judge and probation/parole system. But let's blame the gun.

[demopublican]

Interesting. That federal law already exists. The statutory maximum is in parentheses.

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Don't really need to do anything. Just enforce the current law.

~snicker~

[bmore_ken]

DING DING.. we have a winner with the right question.

Why was this lunatic allowed to be NOT behind bars?

I don't remember where I saw it, but I saw a stat that very people who kill spend their entire life in prison. Unless it's first degree murder, inevitably they'll get out. Particularly if they're convicted for something like manslaughter

[demopublican]

Exactly. They let him off with manslaughter. It was murder and he should have been locked up for life.

[Gopher]

I looked up the law you noted and the penalty listed is the maximum for the offense.

What we need is a mandatory sentence for offenses involving firearms.

I read an article recently that said 90 PERCENT of people who commit homicide have a prior felony conviction on their record.

It seems rather simple, if you are felon and are found in possession of a firearm or ammunition, you should receive a MANDATORY 10 year sentence.

I think we have it covered without any new laws.

Start the "90%" off with this:

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Finish them off with these:

18 U.S.C. § 924(c)
Carrying, using, or possessing firearm in connection with crime of violence or drug trafficking crime
(5, 7, 10, 25, or 30 year consecutive mandatory minimum)

18 U.S.C. § 924(e)
Armed Career Criminal Act: person convicted under § 922(g) who has three prior convictions for serious drug offenses or violent felonies
(15 years mandatory minimum)

18 U.S.C. § 924(j)
Causing death during § 924(c) violation
(Death, life, or any term of years)

18 U.S.C. § 924(o)
Conspiracy to violate § 924(c)
(20 years or more)

Enforce the laws that already exist.

[jessup270]

I think we have it covered without any new laws.

Start the "90%" off with this:

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)
Knowing possession of firearm by prohibited person
(10 years)

Finish them off with these:

18 U.S.C. § 924(c)
Carrying, using, or possessing firearm in connection with crime of violence or drug trafficking crime
(5, 7, 10, 25, or 30 year consecutive mandatory minimum)

18 U.S.C. § 924(e)
Armed Career Criminal Act: person convicted under § 922(g) who has three prior convictions for serious drug offenses or violent felonies
(15 years mandatory minimum)

18 U.S.C. § 924(j)
Causing death during § 924(c) violation
(Death, life, or any term of years)

18 U.S.C. § 924(o)
Conspiracy to violate § 924(c)
(20 years or more)

Enforce the laws that already exist.

I agree with you completely that we should enforce the laws.

It is a massive task to suddenly enforce these laws nationwide.

I would like to see about four states volunteer for participation in an ATF crackdown on felons in possession of firearms.

In the four states, the ATF could flood those states with ATF agents who's primary mission is to arrest felons in possession of firearms.

After four years of really hard enforcement, I think firearms used in the commission of a crime, would drop drastically.

Other states would be waiting in line for such enforcement in their states.

[llubon]

Your bitterness is eating away at you.

Nothing bitter about the truth.
Good ole boy white privilege let this murderer walk free. He should have been hung, fried or shot which ever was in use back then. Had good ole boy white privilege done what was nessesary in 1981 and not patted his backside people would be alive today and their would be no thread.

[demopublican]

All laws should be enforced all of the time. If the ATF can't do the job the directors should step down and let real leaders step in.