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    Quote Originally Posted by The Shadow View Post
    UK Considers Banning Kitchen Knives

    From the BBC link in your link

    Home Office spokesperson said there were already extensive restrictions in place to control the sale and possession of knives.

    "The law already prohibits the possession of offensive weapons in a public place, and the possession of knives in public without good reason or lawful authority, with the exception of a folding pocket knife with a blade not exceeding three inches.
    I wouldn't say the "UK considers banning kitchen knives." There apparently is no legislation to that end; just some doctor's group making that call.
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    British police detectives don't carry guns? I'm watching an English show called Prime Suspect which aired in the 90's and none of the detectives carry guns. It seems they call in a special squad like a swat team if they want guns at a crime scene. I have to laugh whenever I see one of the detectives chasing a bad guy who is carrying a gun. I really hope it's only the telly and not in real life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyboy56 View Post
    British police detectives don't carry guns? I'm watching an English show called Prime Suspect which aired in the 90's and none of the detectives carry guns. It seems they call in a special squad like a swat team if they want guns at a crime scene. I have to laugh whenever I see one of the detectives chasing a bad guy who is carrying a gun. I really hope it's only the telly and not in real life.

    I dunno but I think in the last couple decades they got some reality, don't bring a stick to a gun fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    More guns are being sold but there is a lower percentage of Americans who own guns today compared to 30 years ago. Not a difficult concept if you factor in population growth.

    Is crime declining because gun ownership is declining or is gun ownership declining because crime is declining? hmmm...
    http://www.marketingcharts.com/wp/to...ince-93-19817/

    The idea that firearm sales are skyrocketing while households with firearms are decreasing is a ludicrous one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimatt View Post
    I wouldn't say the "UK considers banning kitchen knives." There apparently is no legislation to that end; just some doctor's group making that call.
    In 2005, no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTAGUNNUT View Post
    http://www.marketingcharts.com/wp/to...ince-93-19817/

    The idea that firearm sales are skyrocketing while households with firearms are decreasing is a ludicrous one.
    But it's true. People who already own guns are responsible for most of the increasing gun sales


    The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found

    The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politi...ing/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    But it's true. People who already own guns are responsible for most of the increasing gun sales


    The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found

    The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politi...ing/index.html
    Gallup vs. CNN and you go with CNN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOTAGUNNUT View Post
    Gallup vs. CNN and you go with CNN?
    The CNN article references several different studies and surveys.

    Gallup doesn't have a good reputation lately after their polling for the 2012 election.

    However, even Gallup's data confirms that gun ownership has declined over the past 30 years

    Gallup: Gun ownership 1959 to 2010
    http://themonkeycage.org/wp-content/...12/07/guns.png

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    The CNN article references several different studies and surveys.

    Gallup doesn't have a good reputation lately after their polling for the 2012 election.

    However, even Gallup's data confirms that gun ownership has declined over the past 30 years

    Gallup: Gun ownership 1959 to 2010
    http://themonkeycage.org/wp-content/...12/07/guns.png
    If true, then there really is very little reason to concentrate efforts on tougher gun control laws. The trend is obviously that of one that indicates legal gun ownership is going down. The focus should then be on illegal gun ownership. Make sure the laws on the books are enforced to the max, and where they aren't tough enough on illegal gun owners, make them tougher. With the trends toward legal gun ownership going down, and making sure illegal gun owners are punished with long jail sentences, the threat posed by guns will decrease going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKDWZD View Post
    LOL, I've noticed.
    Question for you since this issue is discussed further on: are Bobbies now armed when on routine patrol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha Beach View Post
    Question for you since this issue is discussed further on: are Bobbies now armed when on routine patrol?
    Bobbies on the beat are not armed. The C.I.D. are oftentimes armed, branches like "the Sweeny" are always armed when on duty (have always been ). Airport and seaport police are visible and heavily armed, basically, the police 'tool up' as required to the perceived threat or need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amacada View Post
    In 2005, no less.
    British A & E Doctors didn't decide the Law of the Land in 2005, and they still don't today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    Not in America:


    Crime is down -- and so is gun ownership

    As Egan notes, the percentage of Americans who report owning a pistol or shotgun, the weapons most often used in crime, is now down to 1 in 5, about half what it was in the 1970s.

    Of course, hardened criminals aren’t likely to respond to the GSS survey, so there’s probably some under-reporting going on. But that was true 30 or 40 years ago, too, and isn’t likely to have affected the overall trend.

    The major point is that the American “culture of gun ownership” that one often hears about has been strikingly on the wane for the past generation. A similar decline has taken place in the number of Americans who hunt, now about 5% of the population.

    With a decline in the percentage of Americans who own guns and the percentage who hunt, one might have expected support for gun control to go up. Instead, it has gone down. As polling analyst Mark Blumenthal recently showed, data from Gallup, the Pew Research Center and the Washington Post/ABC News polls all show the same trend of declining support since at least the early 1990s, except for a brief spike after the Columbine school shootings in Colorado.

    No doubt, the vigorous efforts by the National Rifle Assn. and other pro-gun groups have something to do with that shift in public opinion. But two other factors may play a significant role. One is the decline in crime; the other is the rise in political partisanship.

    The drop in public support for gun control has happened at the same time that crime has dropped. Perhaps that’s coincidental, but the parallel nature of the two trends is striking.



    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul...rship-20120722


    Chart of the Day: Gun Ownership is on a 30-Year Decline
    [url]http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/03/chart-day-gun-ownership-30-year-decline[/l]
    Pistols and shotguns are the weapons "most often used in crime?"

    But, I thought it was the really scary, evil, usually black, and libbie-defined "assault rifle"

    That's why we hate them and they have to be removed from society, right?

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