Why don't we have an electronic gun registry?

[soulflower]

.... and even CNN disagrress with you on the "firearms as a way of life" thing too.


http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-819868

Ok that makes us even after I proved you wrong about gun ownership rates increasing earlier today

[hst2]

Why don't we track guns electronically like how we track automobiles?:

The same reason ther ATF can't drop in on a gun dealership more than once a year.

The NRA says so.

[NOTAGUNNUT]

It's like comparing 5 people living in a 900 sq ft apartment to 5 people living in a 3,000 sq ft house.

Quite a different lifestyle. Not just because of guns.

Iowa is also a 2nd Amendment State(no permit needed to carry).
Guns have been banned in Chicago for a long time.
It's not the guns, and it's not geography.
It's about the differing choices, and contrasting moral values.
Those can be changed at will, and with little, to no cost.... if the people want it. Nobody, no government, and no amount of money, can make them want it. they have to choose it themselves, and up to now they have failed to do so.

[NOTAGUNNUT]

Ok that makes us even after I proved you wrong about gun ownership rates increasing earlier today

I guess you failed to look at the myriad of charts from beau coup sources I provided.

http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=gu...yword_rollover

[soulflower]

Iowa is also a 2nd Amendment State(no permit needed to carry).
Guns have been banned in Chicago for a long time.
It's not the guns, and it's not geography.
It's about the differing choices, and contrasting moral values.
Those can be changed at will, and with little, to no cost.... if the people want it. Nobody, no government, and no amount of money, can make them want it. they have to choose it themselves, and up to now they have failed to do so.

Less people per square mile = less crime

It's not that complicated

[soulflower]

I guess you failed to look at the myriad of charts from beau coup sources I provided.

http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=gu...yword_rollover

None of which contradicts the fact that the 'percentage' of Americans who own guns is declining

[OldBay]

Criminals are the reason we need laws. If everyone followed the rules, there would be no need for laws or law enforcement.

So instead of enforcing existing laws on the bad guys and punishing them, you prefer to place more infringements upon the lawful because they obey the law. Is that it in a nutshell?

[OldBay]

Less people per square mile = less crime

It's not that complicated

You know its more complicated than that.

[BlandFood]

Less people per square mile = less crime

It's not that complicated

Why not register every black teenager, they have a propensity for violence according to statistics.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

The same reason ther ATF can't drop in on a gun dealership more than once a year.

The NRA says so.

ATF can audit an FFL anytime it wants, just like a NFA holder.

[TheResearcher]

If I don't have to register to vote (in Maryland), why should I register any guns I may buy?

[BlandFood]

If I don't have to register to vote (in Maryland), why should I register any guns I may buy?

Because the gun may vote 3 times???

[NOTAGUNNUT]

You know its more complicated than that.

He'd have to admit to things he's refused to admit to for decades before he could agree that it's more complicated.

[NOTAGUNNUT]

None of which contradicts the fact that the 'percentage' of Americans who own guns is declining

Gallup says different.

http://www.marketingcharts.com/wp/to...ince-93-19817/

[soulflower]

Gallup says different.

http://www.marketingcharts.com/wp/to...ince-93-19817/

No it doesn't.

Far fewer Americans own guns today compared to 30 years ago according to Gallup

http://themonkeycage.org/wp-content/...12/07/guns.png

[soulflower]

From USA Today:

An estimated 20% of gun owners possess 65% of the nation's guns, according to a Harvard University survey published in 2007.

A separate review by the General Social Survey, part of the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, has tracked a slow decline in the portion of Americans who own guns, from 29% in 1980 to about 21% in 2010.[

The surveys offer a differing view of gun ownership from some gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Association and National Shooting Sports Foundation, which have recently talked of an increase in first-time gun owners and waiting lines at NRA-sponsored firearms safety classes.

Almost 48% of all individual gun owners reported owning four or more firearms, according to the survey. What is not entirely clear, Hemenway said, is what is driving the trend.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...in-us/1781285/

From CNN:

Analysis: Fewer U.S. gun owners own more guns

...within its own borders, the U.S. gun owning population is on the decline and those gun owners are stockpiling more firearms.

"Those who own guns, own more guns," said Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, a Washington-based gun control advocacy group. Last year the organization released an analysis of figures from the General Social Survey, which found that both the number of households owning guns and the number of people owning guns were decreasing.

The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found

The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politi...ing/index.html

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

From USA Today:

Most own a combination of handguns, rimfire rifles, centerfire rifles and shotguns.

[soulflower]

He'd have to admit to things he's refused to admit to for decades before he could agree that it's more complicated.

Most crimes are crimes of opportunity. Obviously there are going to be more opportunities to commit crimes against people or property in densely populated cities than sparsely populated states. It has nothing to do with guns.

[BlandFood]

From USA Today:



From CNN:

How did they come up with stat? Has anyone here ever bee surveyed? I kinda doubt it...... 2nd hand face to face sales of long arms and black powder, NO paperwork at all required.

[Jeebus]

Quickness. Efficiency.

I mean, there's a reason every other info system is electronic and not paper now, right?

So why not weapons?

ATF already has my records, and the records of thousands of other former FFL licensees, stored in a warehouse in West Virgina.

There is nothing stopping them from modernizing their own records and putting their data into electronic format.