Where did the Obamas' attend Christmas service in Hawaii?

[octoburn]

That's because everything he blathers about is posted in soreloserese ~ the native tongue of the those who can neither grasp nor accept that their candidates lost, leaving them in a perpetual state of attack and denial, usually demonstrated by a constant outpouring of "But what about ________ and what THEY did?!?!" and the philosophy of "Any stick will do" retorts.

It's not much, but it's all they have as a coping mechanism. Hence, whether and where the president went to a Christmas service becomes a major issue and possible scandal in their world.

Great post, octoburn.

[Joy in Mudville]

Ironic that no such similar resolution was offered to substantiate that Barack Obama, the son of a foreign national, was Constitutionally eligible.

I don't think you know what irony means.

To the point however. I am the son of a foreign national and I am a natural born citizen and eligible for the presidency. No need for a resolution.

Unlike Obama, John McCain was not born in the United States so there were some legal questions about his eligibility for the office of president that hinged around the legal status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of his birth.

[BlandFood]

What's your point?

First of all, there's nothing in the constitution about a security clearance. Second of all, I can't even begin to fathom what you are talking about.

Point is Bobo couldn't get a basic confidential clearance with his admitted drug abuse and yet (with little respect) he's the CinC.

If you can't fathom that maybe you have something wrong with you?

[slapshot]

Point is Bobo couldn't get a basic confidential clearance with his admitted drug abuse and yet (with little respect) he's the CinC.

If you can't fathom that maybe you have something wrong with you?

Baloney. Link, please.

I know several folks in college that smoked pot,etc...and now have TS clearances.

I'm not sure there's even such a thing as a "confidental clearance". I believe they start at Secret, and go up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[BlandFood]

Baloney. Link, please.

I know several folks in college that smoked pot,etc...and now have TS clearances.

I'm not sure there's even such a thing as a "confidental clearance". I believe they start at Secret, and go up. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Oh, thanks for YOUR service since you claim to know so much. Most everybody at one time got a "confidential clearance" and as far as your doper buddies go I bet they didn't admit to a "little blow" like Bobo did now did they? That IS in case you're not lying through your tooth.

[slapshot]

Oh, thanks for YOUR service since you claim to know so much. Most everybody at one time got a "confidential clearance" and as far as your doper buddies go I bet they didn't admit to a "little blow" like Bobo did now did they? That IS in case you're not lying through your tooth.

Security clearances are based on disclosures and honesty. The concern is that one isn't hiding something that is potentially a black offense. Discloure is key. Besides, they never would have gotten by the lifestyle poly, if they had tried to hide what they did in college.

Seriously, man, you are way out of your element.

[BlandFood]

Security clearances are based on disclosures and honesty. Besides, they never would have gotten by the lifestyle poly, if they had tried to hide what they did in college.

Seriously, man, you are way out of your element.

Beings I wasn't required to take a poly because the FBI did the background checks....... now, what did you hold again since this is obviously IN your element?


It cracks me up that chicken littles that have never served a day in their lives are such authorities. >shakes head<

[slapshot]

Beings I wasn't required to take a poly because the FBI did the background checks....... now, what did you hold again since this is obviously IN your element? It cracks me up that chicken littles that have never served a day in their lives are such authorities. >shakes head<

"Beings I wasn't...."

Is this English?

The FBI background check is looking at your arrest, or criminal record. By itself, this will NOT qualify you for a security clearance. Many employers, including most school districts have this done as part of their employment screening process....but they don't have a clearance. Your FBI background check means jack. Just means you haven't been convicted of a felony.

Check out JR comments regarding his pot smoking: http://www.clearancejobsblog.com/get...tions-part-13/

As I said, if no piors, it's all about disclosures.

I served in Nam. Where did you, arm chair warrior, serve?

You are a loon to believe that Obama didn't, or couldn't get a confidential clearance". Utterly absurd. Obama has access to some of the most sensitive, compartmented secrets this nation has....

[sushilover]

It's a given that Barry Hussein is a shiftless, lazy doper who is unfit for office.

Some of us like to hold our elected officials accountable.

But it seems the leftwingers like to live in a dreamworld, where the "Hope and Change" promised by a drug-damaged, cheap, common grifter is always going to happen "soon" ...

[BlandFood]

"Beings I wasn't...."

Is this English?

The FBI background check is looking at your arrest, or criminal record. By itself, this will NOT qualify you for a security clearance. Many employers, including most school districts have this done as part of their employment screening process....but they don't have a clearance. Your FBI background check means jack. Just means you haven't been convicted of a felony.

Check out JR comments regarding his pot smoking: http://www.clearancejobsblog.com/get...tions-part-13/

As I said, if no piors, it's all about disclosures.

I served in Nam. Where did you, arm chair warrior, serve?

You are a loon to believe that Obama didn't, or couldn't get a confidential clearance". Utterly absurd. Obama has access to some of the most sensitive, compartmented secrets this nation has....

Actually I'm a Tonkin Gulf vet and retired many a year ago. ANYONE in an E-2 squadron at that time was required to have a Classified simply because of the crypto gear on board, later anyone doing my particular job on different type equipment 8252 NEC if I remember correctly was required to have a Secret. Again, I never took a poly just FBI and later NIS. Now back on point, Bobo wouldn't have been granted one because of his drug abuse. IOW if Bobo were even allowed in he would be a professional feces shoveler or perhaps a lowly grunt for fodder. At least you're almost catching on now, unfortunately POTUS doesn't require one to have ANY clearance which was my point, it should.

I'll call your link and raise you mine. You know, the one you said you didn't think existed? If you have troubles with my English please make my life easier by improving your spelling.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/gener...a/security.htm

CONFIDENTIAL: Applied to information or material the unauthorized disclosure of which could be reasonably expected to cause damage to the national security.

SECRET: Applied to information or material the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.

TOP SECRET: Applied to information or material the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.

[octoburn]

Best.

Inane.

Caterwauling.

Ever.

[AttackPlanR]

Best.

Inane.

Caterwauling.

Ever.

Excellent post Octoburn!!

[Terry K]

I don't think you know what irony means.

To the point however. I am the son of a foreign national and I am a natural born citizen and eligible for the presidency. No need for a resolution.

Unlike Obama, John McCain was not born in the United States so there were some legal questions about his eligibility for the office of president that hinged around the legal status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of his birth.

Do you have any documentation to substantiate your claim or are you merely assuming. To be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents).

It has been clearly established that the children of American citizens serving the government, born in Embassy's or military bases(US soil), are "natural born citizens". McCain, I believe, was born in a private hospital off base and therefore not on US soil. Accordingly, he was not a "Natural born Citizen" lacking jus soli. The Democrats obviously recognized this and proffered the "non-binding resolution" declaring McCain natural born. I suspect both Obama and Clinton viewed McCain as the weakest candidate the GOP could offer and wanted to make sure he could run. It may also explain why McCain raised no questions about Obama's eligibility.

[Baltimatt]

Do you have any documentation to substantiate your claim or are you merely assuming. To be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents).

And what documentation do you have to prove that "[t]o be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents)"?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

[octoburn]

Excellent post Octoburn!!

I'd like to buy you an ice cold lager!

[Terry K]

And what documentation do you have to prove that "[t]o be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents)"?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

See below:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...8_0162_ZO.html

"“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 168.

Might I also inject your source "Snopes" documented Mr. Obama being born at two different hospitals.

[Baltimatt]

Terry--

I see you are playing your little games again. Quoting a portion of a paragraph from Minor v. Happersett, without the remainder of the paragraph.

Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens. The words "all children" are certainly as comprehensive, when used in this connection, as "all persons," and if females are included in the last they must be in the first. That they are included in the last is not denied. In fact the whole argument of the plaintiffs proceeds upon that idea.

Gee, this court case specifically says it will not address the issue of children born of non-citizen parents. Yet you don't care; indeed, you want people to think it does.

[Terry K]

Terry--

I see you are playing your little games again. Quoting a portion of a paragraph from Minor v. Happersett, without the remainder of the paragraph.



Gee, this court case specifically says it will not address the issue of children born of non-citizen parents. Yet you don't care; indeed, you want people to think it does.

There are no games... the Court defined what a natural born citizen was based upon its interpretation. Accordingly, it set a precedent as to the definition of "natural born citizen"

Anyone wishing to expand the definition would have to bring the matter before the Court

"Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

[Baltimatt]

Terry--

How can you post your nonsense here without any kind of embarrassment?

This case specifically said the court would not resolve the issue of children of non-citizen parents, and Barack Obama had one citizen parent. This in no way substantiates your claim that "[t]o be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents)."

And again, what is the significance of where or whether the President attended Christmas church services?

[Pauliseum]

Do you have any documentation to substantiate your claim or are you merely assuming. To be a natural born citizen requires citizenship to be conveyed by jus soli AND jus sanguis(the citizenship of the parents).

It has been clearly established that the children of American citizens serving the government, born in Embassy's or military bases(US soil), are "natural born citizens". McCain, I believe, was born in a private hospital off base and therefore not on US soil. Accordingly, he was not a "Natural born Citizen" lacking jus soli. The Democrats obviously recognized this and proffered the "non-binding resolution" declaring McCain natural born. I suspect both Obama and Clinton viewed McCain as the weakest candidate the GOP could offer and wanted to make sure he could run. It may also explain why McCain raised no questions about Obama's eligibility.

Oh man...you done stirred up a birther's hornet's nest....this oughta be good, with a lot of crazy to savor.