California gun sales jump; gun injuries, deaths fall

[Daan]

I don't know what is driving California's numbers down but nationally, the number of gun deaths in the US have been rising the past few years even while crime is decreasing.

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..."gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-8426644.html

The linked "Independent" newspaper article says that gun deaths in 2015 will probably be about 33,000 according to the CDC.

CDC stats put the number of firearm suicides at 18,735 in 2009 (at least half of the total gun deaths).
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

Quote from the UK newspaper article:

..."gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

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Suicides might be a significant, if not the most significant, factor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/05/he...inds.html?_r=0
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Increase Seen in U.S. Suicide Rate Since Recession
11/4/2012

The rate of suicide in the United States rose sharply during the first few years since the start of the recession, a new analysis has found.

In the report, which appeared Sunday on the Web site of The Lancet, a medical journal, researchers found that the rate between 2008 and 2010 increased four times faster than it did in the eight years before the recession. The rate had been increasing by an average of 0.12 deaths per 100,000 people from 1999 through 2007. In 2008, the rate began increasing by an average of 0.51 deaths per 100,000 people a year. Without the increase in the rate, the total deaths from suicide each year in the United States would have been lower by about 1,500, the study said.

The finding was not unexpected. Suicide rates often spike during economic downturns, and recent studies of rates in Greece, Spain and Italy have found similar trends.

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The rate of suicide has not been shown to be related to the increase in the number of guns.

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[pickles]

Yet to the grab-nutters, the exact opposite is true. Their logic is "more guns = more gun-related deaths and more gun-related injuries."

Which is not the case, so why are they so against the idea of more guns when clearly the number of guns is not the reason for the rise or fall of gun deaths/injuries?

Can't you see the absurdity of THEIR position as well. or are you a hypocrite in that regard too?

In what way am I a hypocrite? I'm fairly consistent in my positions.

I'll defer: More guns does not always equal more violence, and the reverse is true as well.

However, if we're talking about likelihood and probability, I find the "grab-nutters'" (nicely played by the way) position to be more likely.

[Daan]

But this much I will say....that as the number of NEW gun owners increases, so too will the incidents of accidental shootings, suicides and homicides from friends/family members. But those numbers represent a fraction of the overall gun statistics.

"[You] say" ?? Who are you?

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[Omaha Beach]

"[You] say" ?? Who are you?

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He is a faux psychiatrist and Vietnam Vet that' who he be!

[slapshot]

"[You] say" ?? Who are you?

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Who am I?

Ummm, somebody who looks at numbers....a lot.

Data doesn't lie.

Who are you, Daan? A gun hugger?

[Daan]

Who am I?

Ummm, somebody who looks at numbers....a lot.

Data doesn't lie.

Who are you, Daan? A gun hugger?

I am also one who looks at numbers...a lot.

I also include links to back up my posts.

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