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    Quote Originally Posted by musicmd View Post
    Have you check to see how the case is moving, or if they have perp they are probing. It seem as though you feel if the victim is white it is sweep under the rug.
    Omaha is a BCPD insider. He knows the status of every pending case in Baltimore, so he can make statements like those. If he says they're not doing anything, book it

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
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    Point being, those killers that make the stats are not otherwise law abiding citizens. They take a daily toll on good folks until they are killed or put in prison. Prior to the killings that put them in jail or the grave, they are destroying communities thru countless quality of life crimes.
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    Murder is a very different type of crime than property-crimes or even robbery. It is fair to say that murder rate correlates to those other crimes, but they're different things, done by different people as far as statistics are concerned.

    The demographics of murder victims is merely a data point that demostrates the opposite of the picture that many white-flighters on here are painting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogstarman View Post
    Murder is a very different type of crime than property-crimes or even robbery. It is fair to say that murder rate correlates to those other crimes, but they're different things, done by different people as far as statistics are concerned.

    The demographics of murder victims is merely a data point that demostrates the opposite of the picture that many white-flighters on here are painting.
    Yes it's a very specific crime, but with 80% of the suspects being already involved in the system, it's a no brainer that the thug killers are also committing lots of other crimes.

    I'll give you that all quality of life crimes are not committed by folks that also kill, but at the same time I really doubt that the killers only commit murder and no other crimes.

    I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't take any comfort in the idea that "most" of the killings in my neighborhood are folks involved in the drug trade, so I should be OK...as if theres some sort of honor thing going on and that I'm safe if I'm not involved in their business.

    If people are sort of regularly getting killed in my community, thats a real problem even if I'm not the one getting killed.

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    This is interesting (at least to me):





    Motives:
    Argument: 14 = Looked at someone the wrong way?
    Arson: 1
    Child abuse: 6
    Dispute over money: 2
    Domestic: 3
    Drugs: 3 = So much for the theory that the majority of murders are drug related
    Neighborhood (dispute?): 1
    Retaliation: 3
    Robbery: 10
    Other: 10
    Unknown: 163 = No one is talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    This is interesting (at least to me):





    Motives:
    Argument: 14 = Looked at someone the wrong way?
    Arson: 1
    Child abuse: 6
    Dispute over money: 2
    Domestic: 3
    Drugs: 3 = So much for the theory that the majority of murders are drug related
    Neighborhood (dispute?): 1
    Retaliation: 3
    Robbery: 10
    Other: 10
    Unknown: 163 = No one is talking.
    The no one is talking are drug related. You're a fool if you think otherwise

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    Omaha is a BCPD insider. He knows the status of every pending case in Baltimore, so he can make statements like those. If he says they're not doing anything, book it
    You and music man need to support each other when facts get in the way. Come back in two more months and still wont be any arrests. Colder case gets harder to solve. Unless of course some thug who knows who did it rats out the perp to get a deal himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha Beach View Post
    You and music man need to support each other when facts get in the way. Come back in two more months and still wont be any arrests. Colder case gets harder to solve. Unless of course some thug who knows who did it rats out the perp to get a deal himself.
    Cold cases happen in every jurisdiction in the country. They aren't cold because they're not being investigated. they're cold because there are no leads to go on

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    The no one is talking are drug related. You're a fool if you think otherwise
    That's nice.

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    Just think how many more we would have if Baltimore did not lead the nation in undetermined deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    That's nice.
    That's real

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    The no one is talking are drug related. You're a fool if you think otherwise
    Drug trade related. Not drug use related

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican View Post
    Drug trade related. Not drug use related
    Exactly. That's always been my contention

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    Exactly. That's always been my contention
    hmm.. wonder how many murders if drugs (at least pot) weren't illegal?

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    60% of the gun-related homicides were execution style head shots.

    So one could argue that a significant number of the homicides last year were gang/drug related

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sprightly View Post
    This is interesting (at least to me):





    Motives:
    Argument: 14 = Looked at someone the wrong way?
    Arson: 1
    Child abuse: 6
    Dispute over money: 2
    Domestic: 3
    Drugs: 3 = So much for the theory that the majority of murders are drug related
    Neighborhood (dispute?): 1
    Retaliation: 3
    Robbery: 10
    Other: 10
    Unknown: 163 = No one is talking.
    When you are right, you are right. Just like prohibition. No one is talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post
    60% of the gun-related homicides were execution style head shots.

    So one could argue that a significant number of the homicides last year were gang/drug related
    wow. I never heard that before. Chilling

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican View Post
    wow. I never heard that before. Chilling

    "For the year, more than 60 percent of those who died in shootings were shot in the head, which experts say points to a high number of execution-style killings. That's the highest percentage in 10 years' worth of Police Department data."

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,1967250.story


    Just think of how much lower the homicide numbers would be if the gangs declared a truce...

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulflower View Post

    "For the year, more than 60 percent of those who died in shootings were shot in the head, which experts say points to a high number of execution-style killings. That's the highest percentage in 10 years' worth of Police Department data."

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,1967250.story


    Just think of how much lower the homicide numbers would be if the gangs declared a truce...
    Legalize drugs. That's what most of their disputes are over

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    Quote Originally Posted by demopublican View Post
    wow. I never heard that before. Chilling
    You don't live in the hood, old news. Why would you know about head shots and hits ?
    Last edited by musicmd; 01-02-2013 at 03:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepper View Post
    Yes it's a very specific crime, but with 80% of the suspects being already involved in the system, it's a no brainer that the thug killers are also committing lots of other crimes.

    I'll give you that all quality of life crimes are not committed by folks that also kill, but at the same time I really doubt that the killers only commit murder and no other crimes.

    I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't take any comfort in the idea that "most" of the killings in my neighborhood are folks involved in the drug trade, so I should be OK...as if theres some sort of honor thing going on and that I'm safe if I'm not involved in their business.

    If people are sort of regularly getting killed in my community, thats a real problem even if I'm not the one getting killed.
    Tell me about it.

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