Last edited by OriginalColtsFan; 01-01-2013 at 10:06 AM.
I'd take a thousand Billicks or Schottenheimers over most of the coaches out there. You have also rightfully criticized Harbaugh for his blunders - most notably his challenges and game-clock usage, but that doesn't mean he isn't a great coach. No coach is perfect and they all have their flaws and negative tendencies. But, at the end of the day, it's all about wins and losses. With that said, Harbaugh currently ranks very high on the best all-time coach list.
As you would say, "We disagree, but all's good."
Again. I agree that his teams sometimes just fell off the map when injuries mounted. That was a major Achilles heal for him. However, that doesn't take away from his results. If you don't like his coaching style, that's fine. And I'm also on board with you there. But he had more success than most of the coaches in the NFL.Billick teams never developed any depth. He believed players did best when they prepared on their own. Sure, that works for some players. That said, the vast majority need formal instruction and guidance. At times, it appeared like Billick wanted to be buddies with the guys as opposed to their boss.
And I didn't say I'd take Billick or Schottenheimer exclusively...I said I'd take them over most of the coaches in the NFL...the Ravens fired Billick and it turned out well when they got Harbaugh, but the Ravens could have easily hired the likes of Dick Lebeu, who is a great DC but was a lousy coach, David SHula - no winning seasons in 5 years with the Bengals, Rod Marinelli, Marty Mornhinweg, Chris Palmer, Joe Bugel, etc. For every Billick you can find you can find a zillion Dan Hennings. I never said Billick was the best coach of all time, but he was definitely a great coach for most of the time he was in Baltimore. And there are far more worst coaches than him. Coaches like Vince Lombardi only come once in a lifetime.
And the more I think about it, the more it has to do with timing. It was clear to me that Cam Cameron needed to be gone YEARS ago. I've seen too many posters say: "I'll give him one more, two more, three more years, etc." Some people just SEE things earlier than others, is all. It was the same with Billick. He SHOULD have been gone after that Detroit game in 2005. Even Tom Matte said so. Because it was clear that he'd lost the team. Yet he stayed on, but to no avail. Just more wasted years and more wasted opportunities as the defense continued to age in place. I see nothing good or positive resulting from any of that. Yeah, 2006 he almost did something good, before he screwed the pooch against Indy. He should have been fired at half time. 20 years from now, when the Ravens STILL haven 't won another Lombardi, some of the same stupid fans will STILL be saying: "BUT HE WON A SUPER BOWL". Yeah. Big whoop.
Billick was a pretty good coach. Nothing great but pretty good. He put the Ravens on the map.
IMO, Ozzies draft picks made him even better. Not to say he didn't have some input in who those draft picks were.
The Ravens had one hell of a football team back then.
Anyone else think they underachieved though ?
owever, I do feel that his time was up when he was fired. He still had damn good football team here. Billicks big mistake, attaching himself to Boller for so long. Regardless of how bad Boller continued to play, Billick felt the need to keep defend him. And he was pretty arrogant about it, almost to the point that he was trying to prove the fan base wrong.
Call me crazy but I still believe the fans had a lot to do with him being fired because of the Boller fiasco.
just my take
has the salary cap situation in the league changed in the past 5 years? ........
I remember the ravens during BB tenure, the steelers and lot of other teams having big salary cap purges and cycling between playoff teams and down years with 5 or 6 wins ..........
don't seem to see those purges and swings as much anymore .......
not sure if teams are just handling it better or the cap rules have changed ......
Let's look at another coach you mentioned: Marty Schottenheimer
He was fired after a 15-1 season because of the notion that his teams never got to the next step. The Chargers replaced him with a great offensive coordinator. My questions to you are, "Have the Chargers been a better team or a worse team since his departure? Have they reached the Super Bowl, you know, the thing that Schottenheimer couldn't do?" The answer to that is a resounding no.
Why would anyone want him as HC? He won a SB here with one of the greatest Defenses ever to take the field in the NFL which was built before he got here. He never developed a credible QB or offense and when the D couldn't carry the whole team anymore, he couldn't keep it going.
Ticketmaster.com still has single tickets in almost all pricing sections, except lower sideline as we speak. I bought my single for the Colts-Ravens playoff game as soon as they went on sale in Section 513 Row 4. I agree its a buyers market, the only way you could possibly eke out a small profit is if you have at least two together.
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