Obama to go quickly on gun control and immigration reform.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

But it's never gangs or dealers that shoot up schools or theaters, is it?

Did anybody think to ask what Holmes was doing with the $26000 grant he'd received when he was removed from the graduate program?

Jared Loughner, James Holmes and Adam Lanza, all were previously on SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) and were known mental health risks.

Drugs whose warnings include; insomnia, aggression, agitation, weight loss, headache, tremor, loss of appetite, self-harm and suicidal thoughts.


Every news story about each was rife with acquaintances and family who were afraid of them.

"The FDA findings resulted in a black box warning on SSRI and other antidepressant medications regarding the increased risk of suicidal behavior in patients. Similar precautionary notice revisions were implemented by the Japanese Ministry of Health. In 2004 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the United Kingdom issued a warning about increases in "insomnia, aggression, agitation, weight loss, headache, tremor, loss of appetite, self-harm and suicidal thoughts".
The introduction of a warning regarding the association between SSRIs and suicide by the FDA in 2004 led to a dramatic decrease in prescriptions of these medications to young people. Originally, there were concerns that the decrease in prescriptions caused by the warnings could increase the number of teenage suicides in the US. However, the most recent data from the US National Center for Health Statistics put these concerns to rest."

Kirsch I, Deacon BJ, Huedo-Medina TB, Scoboria A, Moore TJ, Johnson BT (February 2008). "Initial Severity and Antidepressant Benefits: A Meta-Analysis of Data Submitted to the Food and Drug Administration". PLoS Medicine 5 (2): e45. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045. PMC 2253608. PMID 18303940.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

It has already happened.

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But virtually NO ONE who owned semi-auto rifles complied in California.

[soulflower]

It has already happened.

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Whatever you say bro

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Whatever you say bro

Soulflower is right.

California had a gun confiscation party and no one came.

[ms maggie]

Did anybody think to ask what Holmes was doing with the $26000 grant he'd received when he was removed from the graduate program?

Jared Loughner, James Holmes and Adam Lanza, all were previously on SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) and were known mental health risks.

Drugs whose warnings include; insomnia, aggression, agitation, weight loss, headache, tremor, loss of appetite, self-harm and suicidal thoughts.


Every news story about each was rife with acquaintances and family who were afraid of them.

"The FDA findings resulted in a black box warning on SSRI and other antidepressant medications regarding the increased risk of suicidal behavior in patients. Similar precautionary notice revisions were implemented by the Japanese Ministry of Health. In 2004 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the United Kingdom issued a warning about increases in "insomnia, aggression, agitation, weight loss, headache, tremor, loss of appetite, self-harm and suicidal thoughts".
The introduction of a warning regarding the association between SSRIs and suicide by the FDA in 2004 led to a dramatic decrease in prescriptions of these medications to young people. Originally, there were concerns that the decrease in prescriptions caused by the warnings could increase the number of teenage suicides in the US. However, the most recent data from the US National Center for Health Statistics put these concerns to rest."

Kirsch I, Deacon BJ, Huedo-Medina TB, Scoboria A, Moore TJ, Johnson BT (February 2008). "Initial Severity and Antidepressant Benefits: A Meta-Analysis of Data Submitted to the Food and Drug Administration". PLoS Medicine 5 (2): e45. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.0050045. PMC 2253608. PMID 18303940.

Which is why we need a federal law that prohibits people on these meds from getting guns. The current laws aren't adequate--too many loopholes, too much up to the individual states' discretion.

[ms maggie]

Soulflower is right.

California had a gun confiscation party and no one came.

You mean the buy back?

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

Which is why we need a federal law that prohibits people on these meds from getting guns. The current laws aren't adequate--too many loopholes, too much up to the individual states' discretion.

The current laws aren't enough.

But it's not the gun laws you speak of, it's mental health laws. The ACLU played a large roll in Conn not passing a law earlier this year that would have made it much easier for Lanza's mother to get him committed for treatment. We've all read how she was afraid of him and making arrangements to try and get him hospitalized for mental heath reasons.

[Wild Eyed Southern Boy]

You mean the buy back?

It was no buy back, it was either turn them in or register them and modify them to not take a detachable magazine. Most people did not register them and simply put a bullet button on the mag release so as not to raise suspicions.

Massive noncompliance, yet the failure is not even talked about. Only the "Bullet Button" is ever mentioned as a skate around.

[Daan]

But virtually NO ONE who owned semi-auto rifles complied in California.

From these, it appears that at least 1,500 registered.

http://gunowners.org/nws9911.htm
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The California Department of Justice issued the notice in June to explain how more than 1,500 individuals in the state were in possession of illegal firearms-- all of which were subject to forfeiture without compensation.

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http://jpfo.org/common-sense/commonsense08.htm
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The California Department of Justice has already prepared the confiscation letter. Guess who will get the letter? The form letter itself says it will go to those citizens who were listed in "the Department of Justice’s assault weapon registration file." The people who registered during the previous Attorney General’s "amnesty" are on the list.

The Internet news service, WorldNetDaily, obtained unreleased copies of the confiscation letter. To the registered gun owners, the letter reads: "If you possess a prohibited assault weapon ... but you did not register the weapon until after March 30, 1992, you may be subject to criminal prosecution. You are advised to relinquish the assault weapon to a police or sheriff’s office..."

Compensation for owners? None. The state’s plan is to give the gun owners 90 days to turn in their semiautomatic rifles -- and get nothing.

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[Daan]

Which is why we need a federal law that prohibits people on these meds from getting guns. The current laws aren't adequate--too many loopholes, too much up to the individual states' discretion.

Have you never heard of HIPAA?

The information needed cannot be disclosed by Federal Law.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/
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[ms maggie]

Have you never heard of HIPAA?

The information needed cannot be disclosed by Federal Law.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/
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I am very familar w HIPAA. And it does no such thing

Federal law prohibits gun sales to anyone who was declared mentally unfit by a court. In Bill Clinton’s first term, Congress passed a law requiring states to report these mental health records to the FBI. But in 1997, the Supreme Court threw out that requirement, saying states could share whatever information they wanted to—or more likely not share it.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/26/most..._for_gun_buys/

[Daan]

I am very familar w HIPAA. And it does no such thing



http://www.salon.com/2012/12/26/most..._for_gun_buys/

You overlooked this part, "Federal law prohibits gun sales to anyone who was declared mentally unfit by a court"

From what you posted, a court must first declare the individual unfit.

No court had yet declared Lanza mentally unfit. Would not have mattered because he did not purchase those guns.

No court had yet declared Holmes mentally unfit.

There is the doctor/patient relationship where the mental health of an individual is confidential.

How will a new AWB catch the millions with mental defects that have not been declared so by a court?

And how is a state otherwise entitled to a patient's mental health records unless the patient agrees?

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[bmore_ken]

I know I sound like a broken record, but be careful what power you give your government

[ms maggie]

You overlooked this part, "Federal law prohibits gun sales to anyone who was declared mentally unfit by a court"

From what you posted, a court must first declare the individual unfit.

No court had yet declared Lanza mentally unfit. Would not have mattered because he did not purchase those guns.

No court had yet declared Holmes mentally unfit.

There is the doctor/patient relationship where the mental health of an individual is confidential.

How will a new AWB catch the millions with mental defects that have not been declared so by a court?

And how is a state otherwise entitled to a patient's mental health records unless the patient agrees?

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The patient doesn't have to agree if a court declares him mentally unfit. No it won't stop everyone, but it would have stopped the VaTech kid and the kid who shot up Western Psych in Pittsburgh. Uncertain if being committed to a mental hospital meets the standard but it should.

[soulflower]

I know I sound like a broken record, but be careful what power you give your government

I'd fear the government if it were competent and efficient. Most of the time, it's not...

These days I fear Google more than the gov't...

[Daan]

The patient doesn't have to agree if a court declares him mentally unfit.

Where did I dispute that. I said, otherwise (without a court declaration) how is the state entitled to the confidential doctor/patient records unless the patient agrees to release them?

No it won't stop everyone, but it would have stopped the VaTech kid and the kid who shot up Western Psych in Pittsburgh.

If they were intent on mass murder, who is to say that they would not have succeeded some other way. You can't know they would have been stopped if they did not have a gun.

The kids at Columbine had 99 explosives.

"They began by planting two bombs in the school cafeteria, which were intended to kill hundreds of people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbi...chool_massacre

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