Indiana state senator files bill to allow schools to require the Lord's Prayer

[veritas]

So you're saying that "god" does not know everything?

He has no idea what choice you will make - it's all up to you?

Hmm.

How many bible verses do you want me to post that directly contradict your position?

God knowing your choice and God making your choice are two different things.

[pickles]

God knowing your choice and God making your choice are two different things.

And God creating you already knowing your choice is........?

[veritas]

And God creating you already knowing your choice is........?

I know where you are going. If God knows what you'll do, are you free not to do it? I think the answer is yes. Of course, God will know that you are going to make that decision as well. God's knowing man's actions and at the same allowing him to make them is not a contradiction, IMO. Of course, no man can claim to know the mind of God.

[bmorepunk]

We're getting down into fine semantic points which is where I turn it off.

Suffice to say, we have different interpretations of the Constitution. Mine is the dominant one. I can live w that.

Luckily we have a Supreme Court and their decisions are the ones that matter.

[pickles]

I know where you are going. If God knows what you'll do, are you free not to do it? I think the answer is yes. Of course, God will know that you are going to make that decision as well. God's knowing man's actions and at the same allowing him to make them is not a contradiction, IMO. Of course, no man can claim to know the mind of God.

I actually don't have a problem w the idea that there is no correlation between God knowing what you will do and free will. That is well within the bounds of an omniprescient being.

But I have a problem w the idea that God creates men he KNOWS in advance will sin.

So God creates fuel for the fires of hell?

I can't believe God would do that.

[sage]

They love the Constitution when it fits their agenda, otherwise, what Constitution? States rights.

Is anybody surprised by that?

What Constitution?

Bush Trashes Constitution, Few Notice
http://www.infowars.com/articles/Bus...few_notice.htm

SOS: Students for an Orwellian Society
http://studentsfororwell.org/

[Jeebus]

God knowing your choice and God making your choice are two different things.

But you cannot choose anything other than what god has determined you will choose.

You have no choice other than what was predestined and predetermined by him.

You have no free will -- god (being god) knew what you would choose (and all the ramifications before and after) the instant the created the universe - it is impossible for you to choose anything other than what he already has planned.

If you do, he is not omnicient.

And if he is not omnicient, he is not god.

You can't have it both ways.

[veritas]

I actually don't have a problem w the idea that there is no correlation between God knowing what you will do and free will. That is well within the bounds of an omniprescient being.

But I have a problem w the idea that God creates men he KNOWS in advance will sin.

So God creates fuel for the fires of hell?

I can't believe God would do that.

I imagine God can do pretty much what He wants if He's omnisicent. The one trap we fall into is thinking that God should do things as we might do them and rejecting Him if it appears He doesn't. I'm not in a postion to question the creator of the universe with any authority but I understand why people do.

[veritas]

But you cannot choose anything other than what god has determined you will choose.

You have no choice other than what was predestined and predetermined by him.

You have no free will -- god (being god) knew what you would choose (and all the ramifications before and after) the instant the created the universe - it is impossible for you to choose anything other than what he already has planned.

If you do, he is not omnicient.

And if he is not omnicient, he is not god.

You can't have it both ways.

I disagree with your assessment. Man chose to be separated from God and that is the essence of sin. One has to ask, if God made man take this decision, why God would do so? That is a question not easily answered.

[Grindelwald]

We should make all schools recite the Lord's Prayer everyday. Might as well just eradicate the 1st Amendment altogether.