Why No Review On Rice 1st Fumble?

[SNAFU]

I thought the rule states all turnovers are mandatory for a booth review.

[JasonM]

I don't believe possession of a fumble is reviewable unless it's in the end zone or on the boundary line (which is a DUMB rule). They may have also ruled that Lawrence Guy was down by contact after Rice lost it, but it didn't look like he ever had control.

[SNAFU]

I don't believe possession of a fumble is reviewable unless it's in the end zone or on the boundary line (which is a DUMB rule). They may have also ruled that Lawrence Guy was down by contact after Rice lost it, but it didn't look like he ever had control.

But still, it's a turnover, and according to the rules, all turnovers are automatically reviewed, no matter how, or what happened on the play.

[HAIL2BNG]

The replay is automatic and was done. It doesn't always take time. Obvious touchdowns are technically reviewed but there is no wait.

[LarryN]

The fumble itself is reviewable...was he down or not.

The possession of the fumble recovery is not reviewable:
Rule 15, Section 9:
Non-reviewable plays include, but are not limited to:
6. Recovery of a loose ball that does not involve a boundary line or the end zone

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ule%20Book.pdf
(bottom of page 90)

What a(nother) stupid rule.


(Proper down is also not reviewable...if the refs miscount, you can't call them on it. Tucker's kick in New England also falls under the same section of non-reviewable items.)

[carlito]

Probably no review because it WAS a fumble and it would have wasted a time out.

Anyone see Wilbert Montgomery show Ray on the sidelines that you keep the ball in to your chest?

I think he may have been reading and listening to all the pundits who go on and on about how Ray Rice is the whole offense blah blah blah and forgot the fundamentals of how to protect the football.

Ray should be very thankful for Joe and the rest of the offense and an unusual miss by AV so his blunders didn't wreck the afternoon.

[Fang]

It looked liked to me there was an official that stands on the sidelines to tell the head ref whether or not to review the call. I think it's reviewed in the booth first and if they deem it necessary they call down to the head ref to review and make the final call.

Can anyone confirm my assumption?

[LarryN]

It was reviewed. All changes of possession are reviewed, however, because it was called Colts recovery on the field, it stood. The fumble itself was reviewable, and Ray indeed fumbled. Despite the fact that Yanda recovered, the Colts got possession, because that's what was called and that part of the play was not subject to review.

Harbaugh, for once didn't waste a timeout (and get a 15 yard penalty) by challenging.

[Fang]

It was reviewed. All changes of possession are reviewed, however, because it was called Colts recovery on the field, it stood. The fumble itself was reviewable, and Ray indeed fumbled. Despite the fact that Yanda recovered, the Colts got possession, because that's what was called and that part of the play was not subject to review.

Harbaugh, for once didn't waste a timeout (and get a 15 yard penalty) by challenging.

I was at the game so I couldn't see it. But I did rewatch when I got home and on the replay it looked like the Colts never had possession before Yanda jumped in.

[Passarino]

I was at the game so I couldn't see it. But I did rewatch when I got home and on the replay it looked like the Colts never had possession before Yanda jumped in.

Just another dumb rule. We can review to see if it is a fumble but not to see who recovered it. Almost as stupid as the touch penalty on the punt when David Reed was shoved out of bounds then came immediately back in bounds to down the punt at the 3.

[Ravens2006]

It's fascinating to me that Ray Rice fumbled (and lost it) twice yesterday, yet Jacoby Jones carries the thing so far away from his body sometimes you'd think a fan in the first row could knock it loose... and I don't think he's actually LOST a fumble this whole year. Dreading that inevitability...

[LarryN]

Almost as stupid as the touch penalty on the punt when David Reed was shoved out of bounds then came immediately back in bounds to down the punt at the 3.

I don't really have a problem with that rule. But not being able to determine possession by review, on a play that is an automatic review, is just asinine. It's kind of oxymoronic, with emphasis on the 'moronic'.

[Ravens2006]

I don't really have a problem with that rule. But not being able to determine possession by review, on a play that is an automatic review, is just asinine.

Most of the NFL's rules regarding the review process are asinine...

[LarryN]

Most of the NFL's rules regarding the review process are asinine...

People think baseball is dumb for only reviewing homeruns, but at least you know that that's all you're going to get. Open the whole NFL game up to review, but limit coaches challenges, or the games will go to 4 hours. Booth reviews are all that's necessary to correct the many, many blown calls.

[Passarino]

People think baseball is dumb for only reviewing homeruns, but at least you know that that's all you're going to get. Open the whole NFL game up to review, but limit coaches challenges, or the games will go to 4 hours. Booth reviews are all that's necessary to correct the many, many blown calls.

How long did it take them to get the spot on Luck's intentional grounding? They were still off by a couple yards even after the delay because Luck was behind the 40 when he threw it.

[chrisbraven]

Tucker's kick in New England also falls under the same section of non-reviewable items.)

Thanks Larry for citing the rulebook. By the way, that was not Tucker who missed the kick in NE, but Cundiff. Important to point that out, seeing as how we may be back in NE again!

WIN FOR RAY
Braven

[LarryN]

Thanks Larry for citing the rulebook. By the way, that was not Tucker who missed the kick in NE, but Cundiff. Important to point that out, seeing as how we may be back in NE again!

WIN FOR RAY
Braven

I'm talking about the game earlier this season where Tucker kicked the game winner that went over the post, but you're right, that wasn't in New England, but at home.

[JasonM]

Thanks Larry for citing the rulebook. By the way, that was not Tucker who missed the kick in NE, but Cundiff. Important to point that out, seeing as how we may be back in NE again!

WIN FOR RAY
Braven

Speaking of Cundiff, it was nice of his ghost to haunt Vinatieri during his last attempt yesterday.

[Ravens2006]

People think baseball is dumb for only reviewing homeruns, but at least you know that that's all you're going to get. Open the whole NFL game up to review, but limit coaches challenges, or the games will go to 4 hours. Booth reviews are all that's necessary to correct the many, many blown calls.

I'm a broken record on this but I think they should review everything upstairs between plays, and if they see something obvious worth overturning, buzz down and overturn it. If a coach wants to challenge at ANY time, fine. The review / decision is still handled upstairs. You lose a TO if you're wrong. You take a delay of game penalty if you're wrong and have no timeouts remaining. Maybe they up it to some sort of unsportsmanlike conduct on the bench if they're wrong X number of times. Fine. Coaches wouldn't abuse it when they still stand to lose TOs and/or yardage for being wrong. And reviewing / deciding upstairs, handled by people who know how to use the camera angles and replay system efficiently... wouldn't add any notable time to a game.

The way it is now, a single review adds a 3 to 5 minute delay almost every time. The flag gets thrown, the ref has to go talk to the coach, the ref has to announce what's happening to the crowd, the ref walks / jogs almost 100 yards sometimes to the booth, he puts a headset on and talks to somebody before he goes in, he spends up to two minutes in the booth, he walks / jogs all the way back, etc. etc. etc. They often go to commercial at some point. If you go to the games, you'll realize that sometimes they stand there waiting for TV to come back from commercial to announce the decision. It's ridiculous. Meanwhile, people watching the replay on the broadcast (or in the booth upstairs) often know what the call SHOULD be before the coach has even thrown the flag.

[Steveg85321]

The possession of the fumble recovery is not reviewable:
Rule 15, Section 9:
Non-reviewable plays include, but are not limited to:
6. Recovery of a loose ball that does not involve a boundary line or the end zone

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ule%20Book.pdf
(bottom of page 90)

What a(nother) stupid rule.

Thanks very much for providing that information. As a fan watching the game it was frustrating to me to hear the explanation, "that is not reviewable." Why TF not, I wondered? If the point of replay reviews is to get critical calls correct, why does the league not care about getting a call like this right? BS indeed.