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Thread: Israelis raise Pollard's release, again. Will Hagel be held hostage?

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    Default Israelis raise Pollard's release, again. Will Hagel be held hostage?

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    Israelis asking Peres to pressure Obama for Pollard's release, again.

    Look for the Israelis, either publically or privately, to hold Hagel's appointment hostage in exchange for Pollard's release. The Israel Lobby in America will obey orders from their Israeli masters.

    Pollard has less than three more years to serve before he is released. That's because at the time of his being sentenced to life in prison, the policy was that after serving thirty years of his life sentence he may be released. Pollard has never applied for parole because he wants to be pardoned.

    Caspar Weinberger notified the court (Mar 4, 1987) that Pollard is and will remain a threat to the United States if released.
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...ollardDoc8.pdf
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    4. It is also relevant that Pollard has recently analogized himself to an Israeli pilot shot down behind enemy lines, and has stated his hope that he will yet be able to immigrate to Israel. Whatever else his analogy suggests, it clearly indicates that his loyalty to Israel transcends his loyalty to the United States. Nor, apparently, does any residual loyalty to the United States persuade him that he should protect U.S. national defense information at all. Only a few days ago, on February 15, 1987, the Washington Post published an article about Pollard. That article contained information purporting to reflect U.S. intelligence efforts. While I do not intend publicly to confirm or deny the accuracy of those statements, it is beyond cavil that, if true, such information should never be made publicly available. The defendant initially denied having been the source of the information, but when confronted with a polygraph examination on February 25, he acknowledged that he had either provided or confirmed certain of the information contained in that article by talking to a journalist. I have no way of knowing whether he provided additional information not published in that article, but I believe that there can be no doubt that he can, and will, continue to disclose U.S. secrets without regard to the impact it may have on U.S. national defense or foreign policy. Only a period of incarceration commensurate with the enduring quality of the national defense information he can yet impart, will provide a measure of protection against further damage to the national security.
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    Israel and Pollard should be grateful that Pollard was not executed as he should have been for the crimes he committed.

    In less than three years Pollard may go to Israel and collect the $millions that Israel has waiting for him.

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    Pollard will be released soon anyway, he served his sentence. Yes, not what I would have sentenced him to either (I think all spies should be executed) but he got what he got, and did his time.

    Chris Boyce served less than 25 years of his "life sentence" for selling satellite ciphers to the enemy -- and doing much more damage to the country than Pollard did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeebus View Post
    Pollard will be released soon anyway, he served his sentence. Yes, not what I would have sentenced him to either (I think all spies should be executed) but he got what he got, and did his time.

    Chris Boyce served less than 25 years of his "life sentence" for selling satellite ciphers to the enemy -- and doing much more damage to the country than Pollard did.

    Nope.

    Pollard has not done his time and his crimes are more serious.

    http://www.afio.com/publications/bow...11_intelgr.pdf
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    Pollard pled guilty to violation of 18 U.S. Code §794. That code section provides that a person convicted of that section “shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.”5 This code section is different from other parts of the espionage codes which do limit sentencing to ten years. What is different about §794 is that it is restricted to espionage offenses of a particularly serious nature – i.e., disclosure of information that results in the death of an agent of the United States or which “directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information.”
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    And the exact details of what Pollard sold to Israel, as presented via classified memo to the sentencing judge by Weinberger, are still secret.

    You working for the Israel lobby now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    Pollard has not done his time and his crimes are more serious.
    I would dispute that.

    Pollard's espionage of selling secrets to an ally is not even remotely as damaging as selling them to a cold war opponent, one with 2,000+ nuclear warheads aimed at us.

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    You working for the Israel lobby now?
    You still working for the Nazi Party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeebus View Post
    I would dispute that.
    Your opinion on the matter is uninformed. Read the Bowman link and educate yourself. You have a habit of spouting your opinions as though they carry some weight.

    Pollard's espionage of selling secrets to an ally is not even remotely as damaging as selling them to a cold war opponent, one with 2,000+ nuclear warheads aimed at us.
    Again you are uniformed. It's uncertain what our so-called "ally" did with some of the materials that Pollard sold to them. Again read the Bowman article and educate yourself. Once the secret materials were transferred outside of U.S. security, there is no way to tell what they were used for or to whom they may have been given.

    You still working for the Nazi Party?
    Well it's now obvious you share Pollard's belief that he did nothing wrong by selling America's secret intelligence to our so-called "ally".


    You really are uninformed.

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    Israel holding up the nomination for OUR Secretary of Defense to gain the release of THEIR SPY? Thedre is only one thing to say about ANYONE participating in that.......
    TREASON!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    Your opinion on the matter is uninformed. Read the Bowman link and educate yourself. You have a habit of spouting your opinions as though they carry some weight.
    Just point me to Mein Kampf, professor, I'm sure I'd get the same unbiased views.

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    You really are uninformed.
    Whatever you say, Dr Mengele.

    Just keep blaming those jooooos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeebus View Post
    Just point me to Mein Kampf, professor, I'm sure I'd get the same unbiased views.



    Whatever you say, Dr Mengele.

    Just keep blaming those jooooos.

    More evidence that demonstrates the depth of your ignorance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    More evidence that demonstrates the depth of your ignorance.


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    Do you also believe Pollard should be released?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeebus View Post
    I would dispute that.

    Pollard's espionage of selling secrets to an ally is not even remotely as damaging as selling them to a cold war opponent, one with 2,000+ nuclear warheads aimed at us.



    You still working for the Nazi Party?
    Not sure I'd call Israel an "Ally".... More like a millstone.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    Do you also believe Pollard should be released?

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    I think he should have been executed , but that has nothing to do with the reality of right now. He got the sentence he got and he'll be eligible for parole just like any other prisoner under our laws. You can't pick and choose which laws and rules to follow

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    I think he should have been executed , but that has nothing to do with the reality of right now. He got the sentence he got and he'll be eligible for parole just like any other prisoner under our laws. You can't pick and choose which laws and rules to follow
    Why cant you pick and choose which laws to follow? Politicians do it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    I think he should have been executed , but that has nothing to do with the reality of right now. He got the sentence he got and he'll be eligible for parole just like any other prisoner under our laws. You can't pick and choose which laws and rules to follow
    My apology. I thought your post was sympathy for Pollard. I agree, he should have been executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha Beach View Post
    Why cant you pick and choose which laws to follow? Politicians do it all the time.
    We have a Constitution that applies to every resident of the country. From shoplifters, to murderers, to spies. I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about politician's indescretions

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    We have a Constitution that applies to every resident of the country. From shoplifters, to murderers, to spies. I'm not getting drawn into a discussion about politician's indescretions

    Well you have the issues of warrantless wire taps; indefinite detentions; President's kill list (no due process)...


    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml
    Quoting George Bush,
    "I don't give a *******," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

    "Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

    "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a *******ed piece of paper!"

    Yes, we do have a Constitution but it is gradually being trashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    I agree, he should have been executed.
    As do I (as stated in my post above).

    But he was sentenced -- he will serve it, and then he will be released.

    Not sure what your panties are so tight about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daan View Post
    Well you have the issues of warrantless wire taps; indefinite detentions; President's kill list (no due process)...


    http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml
    Quoting George Bush,
    "I don't give a *******," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

    "Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

    "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a *******ed piece of paper!"

    Yes, we do have a Constitution but it is gradually being trashed.

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    Did anyone take it to the Supreme Court, or did they just let Congress do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeebus View Post
    As do I (as stated in my post above).

    But he was sentenced -- he will serve it, and then he will be released.

    Not sure what your panties are so tight about.

    Really? Then what was your point by posting this?
    Chris Boyce served less than 25 years of his "life sentence" for selling satellite ciphers to the enemy -- and doing much more damage to the country than Pollard did.

    or this

    Pollard's espionage of selling secrets to an ally is not even remotely as damaging as selling them to a cold war opponent, one with 2,000+ nuclear warheads aimed at us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmore_ken View Post
    Did anyone take it to the Supreme Court, or did they just let Congress do it?
    Take what?

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