Background checks and registering sales is "extreme"

[soulflower]

Why are pro-gun lobby folks calling proposals like Background checks and an ATF registry for gun sales "extreme":

According to the WaPo, the Biden group is considering far-reaching gun control efforts, the mere hint of which has sent a shockwave through the gun rights community. Biden’s task force is mulling “a variety of proposals — from requiring background checks for all gun buyers to creating a new database that would allow the ATF to track all gun sales,” the newspaper reported. (The White House noted to the newspaper that the task force “has made no decisions on its final recommendations.”)

The plans outlined in the article were also rejected by newly-elected Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND), who has an “A” rating from the National Rifle Association. She suggested that the sweeping new gun regulations reportedly favored by the White House may not sit well with the moderate Democrats who expressed newfound interest in taking about gun control after Newtown.

“I think you need to put everything on the table, but what I hear from the administration — and if the Washington Post is to be believed — that’s way, way in extreme of what I think is necessary or even should be talked about,” she told ABC’s This Week on Sunday. “And it’s not going to pass.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-activists.php

[soulflower]

From the referenced WaPo article:

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require universal background checks for firearm buyers, track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database, strengthen mental health checks, and stiffen penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors, the sources said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...46f_print.html

I don't get what is 'extreme' about those ideas. They seem like pretty moderate proposals...

[SemiAuto]

There is nothing moderate about replacing civil rights with a 'your papers please' style of government.

[soulflower]

There is nothing moderate about replacing civil rights with a 'your papers please' style of government.

That's ridiculous. All forms of commerce have some level of government oversight and regulations. There's no good reason why guns should be exempt...

[CajunRaven]

That's ridiculous. All forms of commerce have some level of government oversight and regulations. There's no good reason why guns should be exempt...

Your statements contradict each other.

[Phineas Finn]

There is nothing moderate about replacing civil rights with a 'your papers please' style of government.

Unless you're brown and live in Arizona.

[Jeebus]

That's ridiculous. All forms of commerce have some level of government oversight and regulations. There's no good reason why guns should be exempt...

What makes you think you can buy a regulated firearm today without undergoing a background check?

[soulflower]

What makes you think you can buy a regulated firearm today without undergoing a background check?

I'm aware that there are background checks(most of the time) in place already.

I assume the White House proposal means more extensive background checks.

[Jeebus]

I'm aware that there are background checks(most of the time) in place already.

I assume the White House proposal means more extensive background checks.

No, it means background checks on a type of firearm (semi-automatic rifles) that is responsible for less than 2% of all homicides in the country,.

Because the background checks on the other 98% of firearms sales (all handguns) are working so well I guess.

[Gopher]

A federal registry is specifically prohibited by federal law.

Background checks are mandatory for all purchases from federally licensed dealers. If one is in the business of selling firearms then one must be a federally licensed dealer. I suspect their proposal is aimed at private sales.

[Jeebus]

A federal registry is specifically prohibited by federal law.

Background checks are mandatory for all purchases from federally licensed dealers.

No, just for regulated firearms.

(unless you call filling out a form and checking a few boxes "NO" as a background check.)

Go into Walmart, fill out the form - No waiting period, walk out that day on all non-regulated sales.

Walmart using the "NCIS" system is not a background check.

[soulflower]

A federal registry is specifically prohibited by federal law.

Background checks are mandatory for all purchases from federally licensed dealers. If one is in the business of selling firearms then one must be a federally licensed dealer. I suspect their proposal is aimed at private sales.

I think the registry would be for firearms sales only.

You have to register everything from Smartphones to coffee machines nowadays but not guns?

[dsummoner]

That's ridiculous. All forms of commerce have some level of government oversight and regulations. There's no good reason why guns should be exempt...

Ridiculous is an apt descriptor for the regulations that are being pushed by the anti-civil rights bigots. When government engages in full disclosure of what it has been doing, is doing and will be doing then one can give consideration to the idea of government knowing what the citizenry possess.

[Mom49of4]

Who do you register your coffee machines with soulflower?

[soulflower]

Who do you register your coffee machines with soulflower?

The manufacturer usually

[Mom49of4]

But you are not required to so when buying a coffee pot.

[soulflower]

But you are not required to so when buying a coffee pot.

Not always.

Smartphones always require registration

[songfourone]

But you are not required to so when buying a coffee pot.

The next time a elementary school, high school, shopping mall, movie theatre has multiple homicides committed by a person with a coffee maker perhaps then they will require you to register.

[dsummoner]

The next time a elementary school, high school, shopping mall, movie theatre has multiple homicides committed by a person with a coffee maker perhaps then they will require you to register.

The next time a member of the Prygryssyve voting block commits a crime, all Prygryssyves should be punished.

[LarryN]

The next time a elementary school, high school, shopping mall, movie theatre has multiple homicides committed by a person with a coffee maker perhaps then they will require you to register.

I believe Nancy Lanza's guns were acquired legally and registered. What effect did that have on what happened in Newtown?