The Debt Ceiling Talks - what will happen is...

[MithrilKnight]

When the debt ceiling talks really get going, what will happen is:
- the GOP House will propose a "Republican" budget
- then the Senate and White House will propose a "Democratic" agenda
- then the two sides negotiate to mesh the two plans
- Obama will negotiate against himself and remove nearly all the DEM proposals
- He will sign the GOP budget essentially "as is"
- The GOP will claim they were bullied into giving away... well... nothing much of anything
- Obama goes on the air saying he was "bipartisan" by doing what the GOP wanted.


None of that will require shutting down the government or hitting the debt ceiling.

[pickles]

I honestly think them days are over. Obama isn't kowtowing anymore. You can like or dislike his proposals/agenda, but I think he's done playing thier games on their terms. And politically, why should? He just won reelection, and the Dem gained in the Sen. and House.

[SemiAuto]

I honestly think them days are over. Obama isn't kowtowing anymore. You can like or dislike his proposals/agenda, but I think he's done playing thier games on their terms. And politically, why should? He just won reelection, and the Dem gained in the Sen. and House.

And Obama can't run again so he has nothing to lose by taking the taxpayer hostage to temporarily feed his insatiable greed.

[flyboy56]

I honestly think them days are over. Obama isn't kowtowing anymore. You can like or dislike his proposals/agenda, but I think he's done playing thier games on their terms. And politically, why should? He just won reelection, and the Dem gained in the Sen. and House.

Why should he? Maybe because the House still holds the majority and the purse strings.

[Jeebus]

“The fact that we’re here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means ‘The buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

When that statement was spoken, the debt was $9 trillion. It's now $16.5 trillion.

(oh, and it was said by....Senator (D-IL) Barack Hussein Obama in 2006)

[soulflower]

“The fact that we’re here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means ‘The buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America’s debt limit.”

When that statement was spoken, the debt was $9 trillion. It's now $16.5 trillion.

(oh, and it was said by....Senator (D-IL) Barack Hussein Obama in 2006)

But no one threatened to not raise the Debt Ceiling. Even Paul Ryan voted to raise it...

[flyboy56]

But no one threatened to not raise the Debt Ceiling. Even Paul Ryan voted to raise it...

And because no one did anything about it then we should continue to do nothing. You certainly are proactive...not! Join the herd sheeple.

[soulflower]

And because no one did anything about it then we should continue to do nothing. You certainly are proactive...not! Join the herd sheeple.

Saying "Let's not pay our bills" is not a solution

[gonzoliberal]

And Obama can't run again so he has nothing to lose by taking the taxpayer hostage to temporarily feed his insatiable greed.

Shirley, yew jest!

These are bills already racked up.
They should be paid pronto.

Argue until purple over the budget, but the Repubs are trying to roll back time and live in the past.

[Jeebus]

Saying "Let's not pay our bills" is not a solution

Yet Obama, Harry Reid, Biden, and Shumer all did that very thing - voted not to raise it. You can read their quotes, some very compelling statements and orations, we can only surmise they were speaking what they believed, not just grandstanding, right?

The fact that they didn't have the votes doesn't change their position one bit - they were against it when they were in the minority, and now that they have the power they are all in.

Hypocrites, all.

[Jeebus]

Shirley, yew jest!

These are bills already racked up.
They should be paid pronto.

Were the bill already racked up in 2006 when the (current) Democrat leadership all voted NOT to raise it?

[SemiAuto]

Shirley, yew jest!

These are bills already racked up.
They should be paid pronto.

Argue until purple over the budget, but the Repubs are trying to roll back time and live in the past.

The greedy proggies will be back for more just like any other addict.

Pay up. Shut up. It is the proggie way.

[CajunRaven]

But no one threatened to not raise the Debt Ceiling. Even Paul Ryan voted to raise it...

How did Obama and Biden vote then? They were actually right at the time.

[flyboy56]

Saying "Let's not pay our bills" is not a solution

If that's what it takes to get Obama's attention and start dealing with the debt now I say shut the government down!

[soulflower]

Yet Obama, Harry Reid, Biden, and Shumer all did that very thing - voted not to raise it. You can read their quotes, some very compelling statements and orations, we can only surmise they were speaking what they believed, not just grandstanding, right?

The fact that they didn't have the votes doesn't change their position one bit - they were against it when they were in the minority, and now that they have the power they are all in.

Hypocrites, all.

They're all politicians. And I agree that Obama wasn't taking a principled stance anymore than John Boehner and Paul Ryan who voted to raise the Debt limit several times under Bush...

[SemiAuto]

They're all politicians. And I agree that Obama wasn't taking a principled stance anymore than John Boehner and Paul Ryan who voted to raise the Debt limit several times under Bush...

At some point some one is going to have to be responsible. Why not now?

[soulflower]

At some point some one is going to have to be responsible. Why not now?

Doesn't matter. The repubs are likely bluffing as usual. They understand the importance of raising the Debt Ceiling.

[Terry K]

Doesn't matter. The repubs are likely bluffing as usual. They understand the importance of raising the Debt Ceiling.

The President and Harry Reid are required to prepare a budget......Obama never files in a timely fashion as required by law and Reid has violated the law by not preparing a budget in three years.

Neither Obama or Reid have the ability to criticize anyone when they have shirked their responsibility and violated the law.

If one wants the debt ceiling raised, prepare and offer budgets as required by law....otherwise, Obama and Reid should resign if they are unable to meet their responsibilities and the legal requirements of their offices!

[SemiAuto]

Doesn't matter. The repubs are likely bluffing as usual. They understand the importance of raising the Debt Ceiling.

A good possibility. The establishment GOP is not exactly the model of fiscal restraint. So they'll hem and haw, fold like a lawn chair, and the taxpayers get the tab. Again. As usual.

[flyboy56]

A good possibility. The establishment GOP is not exactly the model of fiscal restraint. So they'll hem and haw, fold like a lawn chair, and the taxpayers get the tab. Again. As usual.

And the Republicans will again get blamed for being a part of the problem in Washington. One way or another it will get done. The spending can't continue forever without severe repercussions. Tiiiiiiiiime is on my side, yes it is...