Where does Flacco rank?

[HAIL2BNG]

How many playoff wins does RG3 have?

You hang on to that.

[West Chester Raven]

Thanks. Based on your comments, it seems we agree that Joe no longer will see comparisons to Romo, Rivers or Cutler. And I mostly agree with the list of teams you feel would prefer their current QB over Joe but I for one would rather have Joe then either Manning right now. Peyton is better but his career is almost over. I also think Joe is a higher long term value then Eli as well.

I actually think Eli and Joe are similar in some ways. They have the tools, the question is consistency and streakiness. They both have had questions on consistency.
Joe is really stepping it up of late, that is well documented. 3 weeks ago I'd have told you to look at the deal Matt Schaub got and that would be Joe's worth. Now, I'd tell you that he's worth more.
Stability at QB is hard to come by in this league. The question of just where Joe stacks up in that top 12 is fun to debate. The harder question to answer is " well, who else are we gonna get?"
My feelings on Joe have really changed over the last couple of weeks. I hope he keeps up this level of play another 2 weeks.

[ivanbalt]

I know what 50/50 brings. From what I have seen, Griffin brings much more.

So far, he hasn't brought a playoff win or a full season of play...

But hey, you keep fantasizing about the future and we'll watch Flacco in the AFC Championship.

[weenie]

I actually think Eli and Joe are similar in some ways. They have the tools, the question is consistency and streakiness. They both have had questions on consistency.
Joe is really stepping it up of late, that is well documented. 3 weeks ago I'd have told you to look at the deal Matt Schaub got and that would be Joe's worth. Now, I'd tell you that he's worth more.
Stability at QB is hard to come by in this league. The question of just where Joe stacks up in that top 12 is fun to debate. The harder question to answer is " well, who else are we gonna get?"
My feelings on Joe have really changed over the last couple of weeks. I hope he keeps up this level of play another 2 weeks.

I think we both agree that regardless of how high you rank Joe, this team needs a real second stringer in case of injury. The last two offseasons, the draft was stocked with QBs. Colin K and Russell Wilson were both middle round selections. But, I'm going off topic......

[rgh]

I was reading that He shouldn't have kicked it. Apparently you cannot kick the ball when iced if i read it correctly. So the refs essentially botched the end. Not sure what the penalty would be, but in a dome it's kind of hard to punish anyone making a kick...

I thought the same thing. It seemed everyone heard the whistle. The defense did not seem to rush at all. I think the penalty would have been delay of game. I think it is only 5 yards but it also might have been a 10 second run off. I am not sure.

[Peej7245]

You hang on to that.

Look. RGIII is an exciting player and, from every time I have seen or heard him interviewed, a good person.

He is a rookie though, so let's give him a chance to heal up and see how he plays over the next five years. I would have to guess that, barring more injuries, he will be a great one!

As to Flacco, he already is a known and successful quantity.

• More wins in his first 5 seasons than any other player.
• Playoffs in each of his seasons (only Otto Graham did that)
• At least one win in each playoff run (noone has done that in NFL history)
• No (that's zero, none, nada!) missed games

The main reason that many in the national media (and obviously yourself) don't like him is because he started on a defense-oriented team that succeeded in a pass-happy NFL. The Ravens are evolving into a more offense-minded organization and Flacco's better games are coming more frequenty.

Another reason for the dislike is his obvious attitude that he cares about his teammates only - and not some well-dressed wannabe football "experts".

When you look at the young QBs in the league you see physicality, great arms, outstanding mechanics and advanced football IQs. The difference between the young crop of < 3 year QBs and Flacco is not the tools, but the accomplishments.

[HAIL2BNG]

What is with your fan bases's stupid idea that everyone hates you? Jesus H, I am not a big fan of Flacco's compared to most of the league becuase I think he throws a decent deep ball and little more.

All the things used to convince us how good he his other than not missing a game are team stats. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez were the two quarterbacks who have lost the AFC title games Joe hasn't lost. That's not exactly great QB company.

I think he is a perfectly decent QB. I think he can throw a nice deep ball. I think your team proved it can win some with him. Those things are all fine but don't make him any better than he is and certainly not elite.

[ivanbalt]

What is with your fan bases's stupid idea that everyone hates you? Jesus H, I am not a big fan of Flacco's compared to most of the league becuase I think he throws a decent deep ball and little more.

All the things used to convince us how good he his other than not missing a game are team stats. Tim Tebow and Mark Sanchez were the two quarterbacks who have lost the AFC title games Joe hasn't lost. That's not exactly great QB company.

I think he is a perfectly decent QB. I think he can throw a nice deep ball. I think your team proved it can win some with him. Those things are all fine but don't make him any better than he is and certainly not elite.

It's all good. You enjoy the fantasy stats of the regular season and we'll enjoy watching Flacco try to get to the Super Bowl. Last time I checked, you have to win playoff games to reach the championship...

[HAIL2BNG]

It's all good. You enjoy the fantasy stats of the regular season and we'll enjoy watching Flacco try to get to the Super Bowl. Last time I checked, you have to win playoff games to reach the championship...

Great, and you go on pretending you have an elite quarterback.

[ivanbalt]

Great, and you go on pretending you have an elite quarterback.

I said he was "elite"?

The Ravens have a great QB who can win playoff games, including on the road. I enjoy watching the Ravens in the postseason more than fantasy quarterbacks in the regular season.

[Durrty Bird]

I would say right now he is a solid #14-17 QB which is about where he should be. If you guys somehow manage to knock off the Patriots this weekend and if he has a big hand in it I could see moving him up a couple notches or so. But IMO he is what he is which is a middle of the pack QB. Not great and certainly not elite but clearly not a bum either.

[Pickle20]

Flacco is a top 10-12 QB, depending on some things.

He is becoming a really good clutch QB who makes throws when they absolutely need to be made.

That's something that people have said about Ben Roethlisberger for years, despite his ups and downs. I think people are starting to come around and realize Flacco has that knack too. He made the throw to win the AFCCG last year. It was caught for a split second and then knocked away.

Flacco can put that in cement by playing well and winning this weekend.

[Far from home]

You hang on to that.

He can also hang on to Flacco's arm, and ability to stay in the game.

RGIII, in a few years, may be better than Flacco. Right now, he isn't.

Flacco is top 10.

[Ravens2006]

Easterbrook's weekly diatribe sums it up well...

"...Had positions been reversed, and Peyton Manning done what Joe Flacco did to win this game, today the sports press would be falling all over itself to say that Manning played a game for the ages. Why aren't touts saying Flacco just did that? Three touchdown passes and no interceptions in an overtime playoff victory on the road as an underdog. Manning is 9-11 on his career in postseason games, Flacco is 7-4. Yet Manning is showered with effusive praise while all Flacco ever hears is complaints. And don't bother to compare their endorsement deals!..."

http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/sto...ng-nfl-tactics

[Peej7245]

I would say right now he is a solid #14-17 QB which is about where he should be. If you guys somehow manage to knock off the Patriots this weekend and if he has a big hand in it I could see moving him up a couple notches or so. But IMO he is what he is which is a middle of the pack QB. Not great and certainly not elite but clearly not a bum either.

I would say he needs to be ranked as a top 4 QB along with Ryan, Brady, and Kaepernick.

"Elite" is a bogus term made up by fantasy football geeks. The NFL is a results league. Since entering the league together, Flacco and Ryan are 1 and 2 in total victories.

Why not leave it at that? No need to try to apply your prejudices.

[durango46]

You hang on to that.

why wouldn't we ?

5 years
5 playoffs

3 AFC Championship games

again why wouldn't we ?

RG3 is a young exciting player......I enjoy watching him play.

But to says he's better than Flacco and not by a little bit but by a wide margin at this point in time is well nothing more than you being a homer. He hasn't proven anything substantial yet. I'm sorry, he has proven that he can get hurt multiple times.. Again, you lack any credibility as a knowledgeable football fan because you can't put your home team feelings aside.

enjoy watching the BALTIMORE RAVENS in the playoffs
you can always find them their led by their 18th best NFL QB Joe Flacco
who can only throw deep balls.

elite probably not, but nonetheless a damn good NFL QB

[West Chester Raven]

Great, and you go on pretending you have an elite quarterback.

Whatever, dude. Ummm - the Reskins SUCK. Uhhh, when was the last time that team accomplished anything? Uhhh, like a decade? Your team has been floundering in purgatory for years, with no direction.

Seriously - the Redskins have had 5 winning seasons since 1996. 5. Please show some humility and shut your pie-hole for gawd's sake! The Ravens have had 10 winning seasons, won a SB and been in like 4 or 5 AFC Title games in that span.

Shut the heck up!

BTW - if RG3 doesn't come back 100%, you guys are screwed.

[Captain Spaulding]

I'm not exactly sure where Joe rates because there are just too many factors. No one knows what he would do behind another teams offensive line, or with another teams receivers. There's just too many factors.

The guy has proven he is a winner, and that's all that matters at this point. I honestly can't think of another QB in the league right now that I'd pick over him to lead the Ravens, and that's high praise coming from me!

Go Joe, go Ravens!

[bleedingorangeandblack]

I'm good friends with several Tampa and Dallas fans. I can assure you they would, at the least.

i wouldnt

[Rael]

i wouldnt

And once again, like most years with Romo, your team is getting ready to hit the golf course this weekend. But hey, they always are picked to be strong in preseason, so I guess you have that going for you... Edit. Oh wait, I'm wrong. By this weekend Romo's team was available to hit the golf course every year since he has been there. On the other hand, this is Flacco's third championship game. True he hasn't won one yet, but he has a substantially better chance to win one since he actually plays in some of them.