O'Malley Predicts Voters Would Back Death Penalty Repeal

[bmore_ken]

HOpefully this will be one referendum where O'Malley finally is defeated. After legalizing illegal immigration and gay marriage,

No one legalized illegal immigration Dufus

[sigmalady]

HOpefully this will be one referendum where O'Malley finally is defeated. After legalizing illegal immigration and gay marriage, and raising taxes including with the gas tax and the wind power, he is putting the finishing touches on his liberal utopia. We cannot allow him a complete victory. His vision for Maryland is a place even to the left of liberal France, liberal Germany, and liberal Britain.

When are you leaving Maryland?

[bmore_ken]

When are you leaving Maryland?

Yeah right. Do you know how many people that post here hate living in Maryland and are still here?

[Saticon3]

I know all about the Innocence Project, but Spot72 claims a 20% error rate in death row convictions as a basis for a ban. I'm looking to see if that can be backed up.

I agree 20% is quite a number, if true, I would definitely be on the ban the DP side. As it is , I'm ambivalent, as said, due to its never being implemented anyway. If not for that I would be for it at least for those who kill while already under life terms- I mean if one has nothing to lose,what is to stop them from killing anytime they get the whim and the means?

As far as error rate, I don't have the time nor inclination to delve into the project innocence link, but just to make a point, I have read of many cases where some people haven't really been exonerated at all, but just had some new or, prior but not accepted, reasons to question their conviction, big difference between that and exoneration. So , I'd like to make sure that the term "exoneration" is being properly used in these debates.

[bmore_ken]

I believe if 20% was even close to accurate, it wouldn't have been hard for Spot72 to find a link and provide it. Not to mention there would be an uproar in general. And your spot on about the exoneration thing. I'm sure many of those exonerations merely reduced some sentences from death to LWP. With all that being said, the work that the Innocence project does makes me proud to be American

[Saticon3]

One thing I've read about Project Innocence- don't know if its verified, and even if so, I suppose from a technical legal perspective, it makes sense, but that they pick thier cases not becasue they believe the person is innocent--- "innocent" here meaning that they did not actually do the act of which they were convicted--- but rather, use as thier criteria cases where they think that they have detected some legal weakness in the conviction that may lead to a successful appeal.

Now, I get the practicality--- I mean, why take a case with little chance of success and not ones with good prospects-- but it just kind of rubs me the wrong way, they seem to be portrayed as seeking out or repping those that come to their attention who they actually believe are innocent.

But, then I guess just about all lawyers really don't care if their clients are innocent or not.

[bmore_ken]

Well but that would make sense. I mean how else would they pick the cases? They must see something that just doesn't look quite right and they end up serving someone who probably wouldn't have the resources to prove their innocence.

[songfourone]

I believe if 20% was even close to accurate, it wouldn't have been hard for Spot72 to find a link and provide it. Not to mention there would be an uproar in general. And your spot on about the exoneration thing. I'm sure many of those exonerations merely reduced some sentences from death to LWP. With all that being said, the work that the Innocence project does makes me proud to be American

This was in that link I gave you earlier:

• 18 of the 302 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...onerations.php

[Wizard777]

I agree 20% is quite a number, if true, I would definitely be on the ban the DP side. As it is , I'm ambivalent, as said, due to its never being implemented anyway. If not for that I would be for it at least for those who kill while already under life terms- I mean if one has nothing to lose,what is to stop them from killing anytime they get the whim and the means?

Prison technology. There are prisons in operation that have units that reduce Guard to Prisioner and Prisoner to Prisioner contact to near zero. Prison tech can reduce all human contact to zero. The only problem with that is in the past SCOTUS has deemed no human contact to be cruel punishment and a violation of human rights. But properly presented they may reverse themselves on that. When you have a prisoner that is determined to be evil incarnate and state law will not allow you to send it back to hell. Then you have to choose between the lesser of two evils. Execution would become cruel punishment and a violation of Human Rights. But in exchange for this the court would have to allow a system in which prisioners can work their way into absolute isolation with zero human contact. But by changing their behavior they can also earn their way out of that absolute isolation. They hold the key that locks and unlocks that absolute isolation chamber. They get in and out based entirely on their behavior.

But I also think this technology should used in a prision for the criminally insane. When you have a person that stop themselves from killing for what ever reason. I tend to think, what more proof do you need that this person is criminally insane? We have an addiction theory for everything. So why not murder too? Why would medical science not even consider that the reward system of this persons brain has somehow wired it's self for an addiction to murder? Maybe their brain has developed a malfunction or dysfunction of the brains self preservation system that results in serial or mass murders. Maybe their brain is improperly processing sensory input as threats to their existence or their risk tollerance level is too low? There are just way too many questions about these people and we need to find answers to those questions. Psychiatric prision and humane research center is the way to do that.

[Bloomin Onion]

Ken the death penalty debate is similar to illegal immigration. These groups have a plan to end capital punishment nationwide and are pushing one state at a time they even mentioned making a push after more than half the states have banned capital punishment which will NOT happen since people elssewhere in the US still believe in American values and are not that liberal and left wing as Maryland.

It was the same with illegal immigration. They want more and more states to pass Dream Acts so they can more easily push for a generalized amnesty for those people. Obama has not hidden his support for illegal immigration. There are many liberals who believe that every illegal should be legalized. And Ken I am here becaue my family is here because as much as I hate the government I do love my family. One day we may well move to Virginia or back to Louisiana or somewhere else with lower taxes and less crime.

And Ken why can't anyone point out other states just so we can LEARN from them. So your mentality and sigmalady is love it or leave it. Remember when conservatives said that about America during the Iraq war? How dissent is patriotic. I guess you liberals are so open minded now.

Why can't I point out that gas in South Carolina was $2.95 a gallon last summer, or that Virginia's cigarette tax is a THIRD that of Maryland's, or that Virginia has much lower income taxes, cigarette taxes, and alcohol taxes and that rural Virginians are not expected to subsidize the DC area's mass transit while rural Marylanders have ot subsidize Montgomery County and Baltimore? why can't I point out that there is more justice for crime victims in Virginia, Georgia, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Texas which all have the death penalty and juries and judges that have the balls to use it???

Why can't it be pointed out that in other states, citizens are ablee to tell their elected officials that if they raise taxes, they will lose the next election? Why can't we LEARN from states other than New Jersey and New York and California?

[ivanbalt]

Why can't it be pointed out that in other states, citizens are ablee to tell their elected officials that if they raise taxes, they will lose the next election? Why can't we LEARN from states other than New Jersey and New York and California?

Why do I always miss the green turn arrow to get onto 83 every morning?

[watchfuleye]

I read where Gov. O’Malley says that the Death Penalty doesn’t work.
Sure it does.
They are dead!!!

[52Ravens20]

No one legalized illegal immigration Dufus

It may not be legal, but it is the only law I can think of in which our government provides rewards for those who break it instead of punishment.

[Omaha Beach]

This is a link to the innocence project and the post convictions where DNA exonerated the person.

Eighteen people have been proven innocent and exonerated by DNA testing in the United States after serving time on death row. They were convicted in 11 states and served a combined 229 years in prison – including 202 years on death row – for crimes they didn’t commit.

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...onerations.php

Several points need to be made about the so called innocence project. The fact that death row innates have been cleared by DNA shows the system works as far as keeping innocent people from being executed. No one has come up with one example of an innocent person being executed and subsequently cleared by DNA. Also read the stats carefully and you will see that a good many of these cases a new trial was ordered because of legal mistakes and then because of the, passage of time, the loss of evidence, the death of witnesses, etc. a new trial was impossible so the suspect was released. That is hardly the same as being found innocent. A few years ago in Baltimore the innocence project got someone released where a new trial could not be held for the above reasons. He promptly went to a home in east baltimore, sexually attacked a 16 year old boy and then strangled him to death. Just a little collateral damage to law students and law professors running the project. After all they meant well.

[bmore_ken]

This was in that link I gave you earlier:

• 18 of the 302 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.


http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...onerations.php

Unless my math is off, that's not 20%

[bmore_ken]

Ken the death penalty debate is similar to illegal immigration. These groups have a plan to end capital punishment nationwide and are pushing one state at a time they even mentioned making a push after more than half the states have banned capital punishment which will NOT happen since people elssewhere in the US still believe in American values and are not that liberal and left wing as Maryland.

It was the same with illegal immigration. They want more and more states to pass Dream Acts so they can more easily push for a generalized amnesty for those people. Obama has not hidden his support for illegal immigration. There are many liberals who believe that every illegal should be legalized. And Ken I am here becaue my family is here because as much as I hate the government I do love my family. One day we may well move to Virginia or back to Louisiana or somewhere else with lower taxes and less crime.

And Ken why can't anyone point out other states just so we can LEARN from them. So your mentality and sigmalady is love it or leave it. Remember when conservatives said that about America during the Iraq war? How dissent is patriotic. I guess you liberals are so open minded now.

Why can't I point out that gas in South Carolina was $2.95 a gallon last summer, or that Virginia's cigarette tax is a THIRD that of Maryland's, or that Virginia has much lower income taxes, cigarette taxes, and alcohol taxes and that rural Virginians are not expected to subsidize the DC area's mass transit while rural Marylanders have ot subsidize Montgomery County and Baltimore? why can't I point out that there is more justice for crime victims in Virginia, Georgia, Arkansas, South Carolina, and Texas which all have the death penalty and juries and judges that have the balls to use it???

Why can't it be pointed out that in other states, citizens are ablee to tell their elected officials that if they raise taxes, they will lose the next election? Why can't we LEARN from states other than New Jersey and New York and California?

You can point out whatever you want, I don't give a shiite. I just don't understand why people complain day in and day out about where they live if these other utopias like Virginia and South Carolina exist. When I didn't like what was happening inthe city, I moved to the county. When I retire I'm moving to Delaware. Feel free to stay and biatch all you want

[bmore_ken]

It may not be legal, but it is the only law I can think of in which our government provides rewards for those who break it instead of punishment.

Actually technically the majority of Maryland voters provides it, they voted for it

[Omaha Beach]

You can point out whatever you want, I don't give a shiite. I just don't understand why people complain day in and day out about where they live if these other utopias like Virginia and South Carolina exist. When I didn't like what was happening inthe city, I moved to the county. When I retire I'm moving to Delaware. Feel free to stay and biatch all you want

Id be in delaware today except wife wont move away from children and grandchildren. Tax rate for retirees alot better there than in Maryland.

[bmore_ken]

Id be in delaware today except wife wont move away from children and grandchildren. Tax rate for retirees alot better there than in Maryland.

Exactly why I'm moving there in 10 years Maryland is close enough to visit

[jessup270]

Several points need to be made about the so called innocence project. The fact that death row innates have been cleared by DNA shows the system works as far as keeping innocent people from being executed. No one has come up with one example of an innocent person being executed and subsequently cleared by DNA. Also read the stats carefully and you will see that a good many of these cases a new trial was ordered because of legal mistakes and then because of the, passage of time, the loss of evidence, the death of witnesses, etc. a new trial was impossible so the suspect was released. That is hardly the same as being found innocent. A few years ago in Baltimore the innocence project got someone released where a new trial could not be held for the above reasons. He promptly went to a home in east baltimore, sexually attacked a 16 year old boy and then strangled him to death. Just a little collateral damage to law students and law professors running the project. After all they meant well.

The death penalty is very complicated.

Most citizens believe that murderous thugs should get the death penalty.

If the death penalty is eliminated, I think we need to establish prisons exclusively for murders.

23 hours a day in a cell, a door opens to a small exercise dog kennel like area attached exclusively for each cell, once a day for one hour.

ZERO contact with other inmates.

No TV or radio. All the religious materials they want and maybe a weekly newspaper.