O'Malley Predicts Voters Would Back Death Penalty Repeal

[Sprightly]

The death penalty is very complicated.

Most citizens believe that murderous thugs should get the death penalty.

If the death penalty is eliminated, I think we need to establish prisons exclusively for murders.

23 hours a day in a cell, a door opens to a small exercise dog kennel like area attached exclusively for each cell, once a day for one hour.

ZERO contact with other inmates.

No TV or radio. All the religious materials they want and maybe a weekly newspaper.

Cruel and unusual punishment. If I were to ever deliberately murder a person, I would prefer death.

[jessup270]

Cruel and unusual punishment. If I were to ever deliberately murder a person, I would prefer death.

Not sure that it would be cruel and unusual, if the prison cells were used exclusively for the prisoners convicted of the crime of murder.

Prisoners would be fed properly, receive medical attention, receive clean clothes and not be housed in extremely hot or cold conditions.

Cells could have natural day light and night time lighting during appropriate hours.

[Wizard777]

I saw an interview with O'Malley this week. He said that the death penalty doesn't work. Um, sure it does. It works brilliantly. If we abolish the death penalty in this state -- even for child killers -- we will have lost any moral compass we had.

Scince when is hypocracy moral more or less a moral compass? What the death penalty does is punish a person for not being able to do what all the combined minds of the State cannot do. That's solve all of lifes problems without ever having to resort to the use of Homicide. The State has a 37 BILLION dollar budget. With those kinds of resources if the state can't figure out how to get through life without having to kill someone. Then how can you expect someone with a 20,000.00 or less budget to get through life without having to kill someone? If the state doesn't respect the humanity of all people then why should anyone else have to do that? What seperates us from the slave owners that didn't respect the humanity of blacks and even went as far as declaring them to be nothing more than farm animals with some intelligence like a dog and capable of speech like a parrot. What seperates us from the Nazi's that didn't respect the humanity of gays, gypsies and jews? The Holocaust started with passage and enforcement of the Nuremberg laws and came to fruition as state executions necessary to the National Security of Germany at a time of war. To the world it was an atrocity. To the Nazi's it was Justice presribed by law and the necessities of war. I sometimes wonder how our death penalty would do in a trial of Higher Law. Personally I think it would be found to be no less a murder than one commited by the person being executed.

[jessup270]

Scince when is hypocracy moral more or less a moral compass? What the death penalty does is punish a person for not being able to do what all the combined minds of the State cannot do. That's solve all of lifes problems without ever having to resort to the use of Homicide. The State has a 37 BILLION dollar budget. With those kinds of resources if the state can't figure out how to get through life without having to kill someone. Then how can you expect someone with a 20,000.00 or less budget to get through life without having to kill someone? If the state doesn't respect the humanity of all people then why should anyone else have to do that? What seperates us from the slave owners that didn't respect the humanity of blacks and even went as far as declaring them to be nothing more than farm animals with some intelligence like a dog and capable of speech like a parrot. What seperates us from the Nazi's that didn't respect the humanity of gays, gypsies and jews? The Holocaust started with passage and enforcement of the Nuremberg laws and came to fruition as state executions necessary to the National Security of Germany at a time of war. To the world it was an atrocity. To the Nazi's it was Justice presribed by law and the necessities of war. I sometimes wonder how our death penalty would do in a trial of Higher Law. Personally I think it would be found to be no less a murder than one commited by the person being executed.

During the height of WWII allied forces massively bombed German cities in an effort end the war, it worked.

During the height of the Vietnam War, North Vietnamese just played games at the Paris peace talks to end the war. Richard Nixon carped bombed Hanoi on Christmas day and for days after, the North Vietnamese were ready to talk within days.

The only thing evil fears is the use is power to stop its reign of terror.

When prisoners are sent to jail for life without parole, they think nothing of killing fellow inmates or guards.

It is horrible to work among scumbag inmates, that is why it is nearly impossible to find bright young people willing to be correctional officers.

[bmore_ken]

During the height of the Vietnam War, North Vietnamese just played games at the Paris peace talks to end the war. Richard Nixon carped bombed Hanoi on Christmas day and for days after, the North Vietnamese were ready to talk within days.

The only thing evil fears is the use is power to stop its reign of terror.

Remind me of how that whole thing turned out again?

[jessup270]

Remind me of how that whole thing turned out again?

Sure no problem.

As a result of the Paris Peace accord:

All US POWs were released.
US forces withdrew in an orderly fashion
US promised air support to come to the aid of S. Vietnam if needed.
There was a truce between S. Vietnam and N. Vietnam.

End of the story, in 1974 Congress cut all military spending for the war and as they say, the rest is history.

[bmore_ken]

Sure no problem.

As a result of the Paris Peace accord:

All US POWs were released.
US forces withdrew in an orderly fashion
US promised air support to come to the aid of S. Vietnam if needed.
There was a truce between S. Vietnam and N. Vietnam.

End of the story, in 1974 Congress cut all military spending for the war and as they say, the rest is history.

Translation 58,000 Americans were killed in a war we didn't win and the "truce" between the Vietnamese consisted of the communist taking control of the country. You sure have a rosy view of what actually happened

[jessup270]

Translation 58,000 Americans were killed in a war we didn't win and the "truce" between the Vietnamese consisted of the communist taking control of the country. You sure have a rosy view of what actually happened

Not really, we actually have the same view.

Terrible mistake for the US to ever been in the Vietnam war.

The Vietnam War was the second in a long list of wars the US should have never been a part of, Korea being the first.

Unfortunately the list of unworthy wars is growing.

[Saticon3]

Translation 58,000 Americans were killed in a war we didn't win and the "truce" between the Vietnamese consisted of the communist taking control of the country. You sure have a rosy view of what actually happened

Not really. The point here is the NVN didn't come to terms until they were getting the bejeebers bombed out of them. Even though they probably knew they could violate the terms as the US public was fed up and they only had to bide their time, they wouldn't have even done that minus the stepped up bombing. But that the eventual war was a failure has nothing to do with that point- the eventual result came about due to the US not following up or enforcing terms of the truce-i.e. abandoning SVN all together---- sort of like Iraq post Gulf War I and now post Gulf War 2 and probably how Afghanistan is going to turn out.

I'm not arguing that the war was a good idea inthe first place not that the eventual results were bad for the US-- but its clear the bombing is what brought the NVN into serious negotiations to allow an end to the war.

[Sprightly]

Scince when is hypocracy moral more or less a moral compass? What the death penalty does is punish a person for not being able to do what all the combined minds of the State cannot do. That's solve all of lifes problems without ever having to resort to the use of Homicide. The State has a 37 BILLION dollar budget. With those kinds of resources if the state can't figure out how to get through life without having to kill someone. Then how can you expect someone with a 20,000.00 or less budget to get through life without having to kill someone? If the state doesn't respect the humanity of all people then why should anyone else have to do that? What seperates us from the slave owners that didn't respect the humanity of blacks and even went as far as declaring them to be nothing more than farm animals with some intelligence like a dog and capable of speech like a parrot. What seperates us from the Nazi's that didn't respect the humanity of gays, gypsies and jews? The Holocaust started with passage and enforcement of the Nuremberg laws and came to fruition as state executions necessary to the National Security of Germany at a time of war. To the world it was an atrocity. To the Nazi's it was Justice presribed by law and the necessities of war. I sometimes wonder how our death penalty would do in a trial of Higher Law. Personally I think it would be found to be no less a murder than one commited by the person being executed.

Does this mean that you are for or against the death penalty for any reason?

[songfourone]

Unless my math is off, that's not 20%

Nope

[songfourone]

Several points need to be made about the so called innocence project. The fact that death row innates have been cleared by DNA shows the system works as far as keeping innocent people from being executed. No one has come up with one example of an innocent person being executed and subsequently cleared by DNA. Also read the stats carefully and you will see that a good many of these cases a new trial was ordered because of legal mistakes and then because of the, passage of time, the loss of evidence, the death of witnesses, etc. a new trial was impossible so the suspect was released. That is hardly the same as being found innocent. A few years ago in Baltimore the innocence project got someone released where a new trial could not be held for the above reasons. He promptly went to a home in east baltimore, sexually attacked a 16 year old boy and then strangled him to death. Just a little collateral damage to law students and law professors running the project. After all they meant well.

Do you believe that there are people who are innocent but found guilty by a judge or jury of their peers?

Do you believe that everyone that has been executed was guilty?

[Wizard777]

During the height of WWII allied forces massively bombed German cities in an effort end the war, it worked.

During the height of the Vietnam War, North Vietnamese just played games at the Paris peace talks to end the war. Richard Nixon carped bombed Hanoi on Christmas day and for days after, the North Vietnamese were ready to talk within days.

The only thing evil fears is the use is power to stop its reign of terror.

When prisoners are sent to jail for life without parole, they think nothing of killing fellow inmates or guards.

It is horrible to work among scumbag inmates, that is why it is nearly impossible to find bright young people willing to be correctional officers.

As I said in a previous post Prision Technology is greatly increasing both staff and prisioner safety. Isolation is a very effective tool in behavior modification. Under my plan if you are sent to prision for murder and kill again while in prision. You are no longer a bad boy. You are now criminally insane and will be sent to psychiatric prison. Upon arrival you will be placed in absolute isolation and the first thing you will have to do is earn the privilege of seeing a human face on a monitor.

[Red Baron]

Are we talking history or the Death Penalty? O'M is feeling cocky because everything that went to referendum passed- which surprised the heck out of me, at least as far as expanded gambling went.

So I guess he figures that he can arrange for any referendum on the death penalty to go his way, too. So he can say Marylanders love him.

[Wizard777]

Does this mean that you are for or against the death penalty for any reason?

I think the prosecutors on death penalty cases in which the person they convicted and put on death row was exonerated should be tried, convicted and imprisioned for attempted murder.

The only thing I would ever support the death penalty for is the highest crime of the land, treason. But nothing else.

[Sprightly]

I think the prosecutors on death penalty cases in which the person they convicted and put on death row was exonerated should be tried, convicted and imprisioned for attempted murder.

The only thing I would ever support the death penalty for is the highest crime of the land, treason. But nothing else.

I see.

[Omaha Beach]

Do you believe that there are people who are innocent but found guilty by a judge or jury of their peers?

Do you believe that everyone that has been executed was guilty?

Answer to number one is yes since people have been proven by DNA to have been innocent like Kirk Bloodsworth.

Answer to number two is give me a time frame. Last forty, fifty, hundred? Im sure the answer is yes to executions before DNA evidence became available. After DNA answer is big NO.

[bmore_ken]

but its clear the bombing is what brought the NVN into serious negotiations to allow an end to the war.

An end they wanted. "Yayyy dumb Americans bomb us and we win." Really dude?

[jessup270]

An end they wanted. "Yayyy dumb Americans bomb us and we win." Really dude?

It was not just a massive bombing campaign that brought them to the peace table.

The US mined their major harbors to shut down their war supplies from the Soviets.

That was a huge military act as Soviet merchant ships were purposely placed into a combat situation.

The whole point of this discussion is that bullies, tyrants, criminals, dictators understand pain and punishment, when delivered swiftly and forcefully.

The US hostages taken when our embassy was over run in Iran, were held captive for over 400 days. No amount of negotiations were going to get them released.

Ronald Reagan was about to take office and said he would do whatever it took to quickly end the hostage situations.

Just mere hours before Reagan was to take his oath of office, all of the hostages were released.

After 400 days of not suffering any consequences for taking these hostages, Iranian leaders decided they did not want to suffer severe pain from newly elected President Reagan.

[bmore_ken]

It was not just a massive bombing campaign that brought them to the peace table.

The US mined their major harbors to shut down their war supplies from the Soviets.

That was a huge military act as Soviet merchant ships were purposely placed into a combat situation.

The whole point of this discussion is that bullies, tyrants, criminals, dictators understand pain and punishment, when delivered swiftly and forcefully.

The US hostages taken when our embassy was over run in Iran, were held captive for over 400 days. No amount of negotiations were going to get them released.

Ronald Reagan was about to take office and said he would do whatever it took to quickly end the hostage situations.

Just mere hours before Reagan was to take his oath of office, all of the hostages were released.

After 400 days of not suffering any consequences for taking these hostages, Iranian leaders decided they did not want to suffer severe pain from newly elected President Reagan.

Iran finally agreed to release the hostages after the US said it would release assets frozen in American and other banks, including the Bank of England, since the embassy was seized.

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